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Donerail
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« on: May 14, 2017, 05:00:54 PM »

I feel as though we all have a sense of the main ideas and arguments behind this legislation. Helping hundreds of thousands of young people afford to go to college (and millions more graduate debt-free) is key to our future in an increasingly competitive and increasingly globalized economy. Dozens of other countries offer free college to their citizens in order to produce a more educated workforce. Atlasia should do the same.

I'm happy to answer any questions any of y'all may have about this legislation.
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« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2017, 06:43:55 AM »

     I like the idea of curbing public school tuition as part of the project of controlling the costs of higher education, but handing the universities a blank check just doesn't square with me, especially considering how they have handled influxes of taxpayer cash in the past (i.e., jacking up the costs of attendance).

     When I was in the South's government, I got tight controls on public school tuition passed. Unless we want this to inflate into an unsustainable boondoggle, I think some form of expenditure control also needs to be a part of this project.

That's generally what Section 3 attempts to accomplish. As I understand it, most of the increases in tuition costs are driven by administrative growth, new building, and spending on athletics. By excluding those from eligibility for funding under the bill, you exclude some of the primary sources of tuition growth.

The funding formula in 2.a. also works to prevent cost inflation—the sum given to the regions would be equivalent to whatever is necessary to eliminate tuition this year, adjusted annually to wage inflation and not to the cost of tuition as an incentive to keep costs low. I'm open to suggestions on the funding formula, but by making the calculation independent of anything under the control of college administrators I hoped to prevent any hazard that arises giving the universities a blank check.
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« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2017, 01:57:26 AM »

     Those are good ideas to control some of the causal factors, but I would also posit that the fundamental issue is that the universities are the ones who determine what the cost to eliminate tuition is. The UC system charged about $13,000 a year when I went, but this was already doubled from a decade before. If they could get $15,000/pupil, or $20,000/pupil, why wouldn't they ask for it? Much of non-profit higher ed is already seized by rent-seeking, which makes me doubt that they can be trusted to make this determination fairly.

Theoretically that shouldn't be possible, but I'll amend it to make it clearer:

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My idea for the funding model is one that uses spending for this year (unaffected by any incentives this legislation may create) and adjust that sum based on independent factors afterwards, rather than one that matches growth of tuition year after year. If regions want to increase tuition beyond that amount to fund any program, they are free to do so, but they have to provide the funding for it. I'm not wedded to this particular formula (perhaps there's a better metric of education costs that's not affected by the decisions of university administrators), but I think this creates a tight enough cap that most of the issues you mentioned are controlled.
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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2017, 05:59:11 PM »

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