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Velasco
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« on: October 11, 2014, 08:07:19 AM »

I guess I find Byzantine alt-hists interesting because its fun to see what might (but obviously wouldn't) have happened had the empire managed to survive beyond 1453 (mind you, this requires a POD that's well back from then).

I guess I'm able to understand that is funny speculating with an unlikely Byzantine recovery, maybe because that Hellenic Medieval civilisation fascinates me for some weird reason. However, I never visited AH.com (well, I've played with the Komnenos dynasty in CK) and I wonder, which is the usual starting point in those fictional recoveries of the New Rome's old glories? It seems to me that it'd be unrealistic starting after 1204. I think the empire was done after the deposition of Andronikos Komnenos in 1185, actually. Which would be the more feasible or realistic starting point for you and why?

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« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2014, 08:03:43 PM »

I love the Alexius Comnenus scenario on that game Cheesy. Its definitely more feasible to go with a Byzantine revival prior to 1204 (and probably prior to the reign of Manuel Comnenus) since after that the 'empire' would never really be an 'empire' again. However, I wouldn't rule out a Byzantine revival taking place, say, after the fall of the Latin kingdom, but after that point its very unlikely it would ever reach its former glory and be more than a small state based in and around the Aegean.

Well, a state covering between Syria and the Danube can be called properly an empire by medieval standards, and after all the Romaioi were the heirs of the imperial tradition in the East. Since the death of Manuel Komnenos, the disintegration of the state became evident, although the underlying causes can be traced earlier. If the issue is the mere survival of a Byzantine state around the Aegean Sea, perhaps a fictional success of the rebelion in Asia Minor led by Alexios Philantropenos -the so called "Belisarius of the Palailogian era" who ended blinded by the emperor's henchmen- might be an interesting startpoint for a storyline. Arguably that goal sounds too modest when I created the Kingdom if Rus twice, defeated the Mongols, Turks and other enemies and made the Mediterranean a Roman Orthodox lake in CK Wink
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