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« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2016, 10:10:45 AM »

The hackery here is stunning. This was a statistical tie fair and square with the final results showing Bernie just a few delegates behind her in the last minutes. I give credit to Hillary and her campaign for getting out her vote, but Bernie really was the real star here. He really did something amazing and the fact that it was this close just shows how exciting the race is to Democrats at least so far.

It will be dull starting on Super Tuesday and beyond. Because Bernie won't be competitive then.
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« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2016, 10:14:11 AM »

The hackery here is stunning. This was a statistical tie fair and square with the final results showing Bernie just a few delegates behind her in the last minutes. I give credit to Hillary and her campaign for getting out her vote, but Bernie really was the real star here. He really did something amazing and the fact that it was this close just shows how exciting the race is to Democrats at least so far.
The excitement for the ancient small state socialist just isn't there. I guess he's going to be an irrelevant trivia question within a couple months after all of this hype.

Exactly right!
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« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2016, 10:17:58 AM »

The hackery here is stunning. This was a statistical tie fair and square with the final results showing Bernie just a few delegates behind her in the last minutes. I give credit to Hillary and her campaign for getting out her vote, but Bernie really was the real star here. He really did something amazing and the fact that it was this close just shows how exciting the race is to Democrats at least so far.

It will be dull starting on Super Tuesday and beyond. Because Bernie won't be competitive then.

A month ago he wasn't competitive, but he has the movement, he has the money, he has the momentum. All he needs is the message. I think he can turn this around in his favor.

Wrong! No chance. Tell me which state he wins on Super Tuesday and beyond. Vermont and Huh??
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« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2016, 10:22:19 AM »

we've already known for ages he had a decent shot to win Iowa.

Says the guy with an inevitable signature.

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I never saw an Iowa win as crucial to her inevitability (though it would've been nice.) What makes her inevitable is her enormous support among minorities, huge advantage among superdelegates, a highly favorable primary calendar after NH, and an Obama endorsement trump card that she almost certainly has to play at the opportune moment if needed. None of these things have anything to do with Iowa. Inevitability doesn't mean you have to win 50 states or even win easily. It just means you're inevitably winning.

Worth re-posting at this point. Wink
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« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2016, 01:50:48 PM »

18-22 year olds are voting in their first primary and think things will always be the way they are now.
In six months when nobody gives two sh*ts about Bernie, the media has 24/7 wall-to-wall Hillary coverage and all their liberal friends are saying the world depends on people voting for Hillary against the DISGUSTING racist, sexist, homophobic, immigrant-hating, poor-hating, corrupt wall street hack [insert GOP candidate here], a declaration that they're standing strong for Bernie and won't vote for Clinton will just draw mocking laughter.
They'll vote for Clinton.  In droves.

This.

Not to mention the likes of Bernie and Warren will be certainly aggressively campaigning for Clinton come the GE.

This is the correct answer. Bernie fans, if you truly want something progressive out of this you must support Clinton in the GE so Hillary can win which will make her able to make liberal selections for the Supreme Court. This is what is at stake.
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« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2016, 02:59:29 PM »

18-22 year olds are voting in their first primary and think things will always be the way they are now.
In six months when nobody gives two sh*ts about Bernie, the media has 24/7 wall-to-wall Hillary coverage and all their liberal friends are saying the world depends on people voting for Hillary against the DISGUSTING racist, sexist, homophobic, immigrant-hating, poor-hating, corrupt wall street hack [insert GOP candidate here], a declaration that they're standing strong for Bernie and won't vote for Clinton will just draw mocking laughter.
They'll vote for Clinton.  In droves.

This.

Not to mention the likes of Bernie and Warren will be certainly aggressively campaigning for Clinton come the GE.

This is the correct answer. Bernie fans, if you truly want something progressive out of this you must support Clinton in the GE so Hillary can win which will make her able to make liberal selections for the Supreme Court. This is what is at stake.

Clinton has never been progressive. Just because she's put on 'progressive' skin doesn't mean that she is progressive. As for the Supreme Court selections, I believe that the Democratic Party would be in a much better situation today if Ruth Bader Ginsburg had retired, but it seems she's too arrogant.

If you don't think her selections to the Supreme Court would be as progressive as possible to receive confirmation you are deluded.
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« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2016, 03:06:00 PM »

So according to the obviously imperfect entrance poll Clinton only won minority voters 58%-34%. I thought she would have performed a lot more strongly than that.

It doesn't really matter much. This was Bernies third most favorable state demographically speaking. Not to mention that caucus states always favor the most liberal candidate. Hillary is the heir apparent. If you believe otherwise you are either a deluded Sanders supporter or a Republican who thinks one of the scrubs they have available has a real shot at the presidency.
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« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2016, 03:24:21 PM »

That's utter BS. People were saying for AGES that Bernie could win Iowa. FiveThirtyEight wrote an article in July: "Bernie could win IA/NH, and lose everywhere else." I even remember including it on his "ceiling" primary map back in like...2014?

Exactly!
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