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Poirot
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« on: April 28, 2015, 07:38:26 AM »

Applause after Clyde's answer.
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« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2015, 10:58:55 PM »

The Aye side has claimed the At-large election results in boring, predictable outcome. That is not true. Over my time in Atlasia many At-large elections have ended in a couple of vote difference in determining the winner of the last seat. So they can be exciting. A few examples:

December 2012, less than 2 votes difference for the last seat
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=149059.msg3559661#msg3559661

April 2013, less than 2 votes
https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/April_2013_Senate_Election

December 2013, less than 3 votes
https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/December_2013_Senate_Election

December 2014, 2 votes
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=149059.msg3559661#msg3559661

The At-large election gave a chance to candidates who were not able to win a regional race to get elected to the Senate, it gave them another path. Just by memory I think of Goldwater and Deus who lost a regional race in the NE before winning in At-large. Lumine and Cris in the Midwest.
   
A smaller party like the D-R has managed to win At-Large senate seat with Deus and shua. I'm not sure if they had their party members split in five districts if they could win a district against three much bigger parties.
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« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2015, 05:30:43 PM »

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If this is what you think of at-large senators, you should blame the political parties who select their candidates. If it's true parties could run more candidates but feel restricted by the format of at-large elections and at-large senators are least reliable, parties should choose candidates more carefully.
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« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2015, 11:00:29 PM »

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I don't find it a great thing when races are against someone. I think when I did best in regional senate races was because I was the lone alternative to a candidate/ a party. When it was a three person race I would get only a couple of votes and the main challenger was someone from a party.

So when it is said I did good in a regional race to show it doesn't harm small parties or independents, it was probably because nobody else ran (popular incumbent or others felt they didn't have much chance of winning). When a party ran someone I suddenly had very little support. I think small parties will be at the mercy of big parties in districts. They will have to make a deal with other parties so they don't run a candidate and support the small party or something because if the big parties ran candidates in a district the small registration party is probably doomed to survive the first round. It could lead to deals between parties about candidates and support but that goes against the theory that many candidates would run in districts. It could lead to a two person for and against candidate/party race.

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They are exciting because often there is a seat at stake until the last votes, unlike regional seats that have not even been contested or not very close. There is rarely suspense until the end. I have enjoyed at-large elections, finds them exciting and remembers them, like one in which some tried to stop the Liberal party from gaining two seats or the one some worked to stop Labor from gaining two.

I've agonized far more on filling a ballot for at-large races than voting for regional, so eliminating at-large would remove me stress and feeling terrible.   
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