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Mr. Reactionary
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« on: November 04, 2015, 10:22:55 PM »

If right of center is now defined as fascist does that mean left of center is officially defined as socialist now?
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Mr. Reactionary
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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2015, 12:04:26 PM »

If Trump is a fascist, Hillary is a socialist.

This. It's hilarious that some posters will argue that Bernie Sanders is NOT a socialist, but Donald Trump IS a Fascist.
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Mr. Reactionary
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« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2015, 12:08:28 PM »

anyone who thinks about economic inequality is a filthy intellectual who fails to recognize the need for repressive, exploitative structures that enforce severe inequality).

... class struggle  

Yes yes, we know ... blah blah blah Marx blah blah blah Freedom is Slavery. In reality, nationalism does not equal Fascism.
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Mr. Reactionary
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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2015, 12:26:16 PM »


And? Would it be the dead's end if 300 million Americans got their lives back instead of being slaves of the 3 million richest?

Lol. Socialism is the equal sharing of misery, and whenever central planning screws up and does not produce enough food, (which might as well be a certainty at this point) who gets the food? Party members, bureaucrats, and armed enforcers, all while the people starve. Marxism killed tens of millions in the 20th Century, just from inept food planning. Evil capitalist Norman Borlaug saved tens of millions in the 20th Century from starvation despite not being a benevolent Socialist. While I don't intend on voting for him, I'd still take my chances with the moderate reality star ass who is clearly not a Fascist, than a political ideology of violence and death.  
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Mr. Reactionary
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« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2015, 12:28:17 PM »


So burning 11 million Mexicans in the ovens is not enough for you? Not even slightly racist?

Can some mod please ban this total idiot?

Yes Mods, please ban for excessive  hyperbole.
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Mr. Reactionary
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« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2015, 01:19:20 PM »

I'm surprised by your post that you're extremely happy that the USA has never been more inequal for almost 100 years, since the 1920ies. Does that fact make your heart beat really fast? Is that basically Your reason for living?

It's not the size of the slice that matters but rather the size of the pie. The fundamentals of the economy are still weak so no I'm not satisfied. But to paraphrase Thatcher, I'd rather everyone be better off, whereas Socialism seems much more concerned with allowing the poor to be poorer just so the rich can be less rich. Inequality in itself is not a problem; if the poorest American had a relatively comfortable life would anyone really care that the the richest person has 10,000X as much money? No. The Marxist religion that history has always been and will always be rich vs poor is just another form of scapegoating. "Look comrades, that rich man is not suffering like US. That makes our problems his fault, because we see the economy as zero-sum." Despite our problems, I'd much rather live here, where we at least pretend that individual rights matter and that taxation is a necessary evil instead of a social good.


So burning 11 million Mexicans in the ovens is not enough for you? Not even slightly racist?

Can some mod please ban this total idiot?

Yes Mods, please ban for excessive  hyperbole.

What's the hyperbole except for your own words? Trump's only reason for becoming president, and he can't brag about it enough, is so that he can totally ruin the lives of 11 million Americans and their entire families as well. That's the only reason why he's popular, if you didn't get it already.

If you truly believe that deporting illegal immigrants who should not legally be here in the first place is the same as mass murder, then nothing I say really matters.
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Mr. Reactionary
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« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2015, 02:09:48 PM »

A law can be illegal, a human being can not be illegal. Get your facts straight first alright. It's funny that you think that a human being can be illegal. Smiley


If you are trying to argue against nation states, then I think you're several hundred years too late. I did not say a human was illegal, I said an immigrant's status was illegal. Someone's mere presence can be a crime. Just ask trespassers. If I walk into a classified meeting of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, I will have committed a crime. Similarly if an immigrant walks into the country without going through the legal process, they will have committed a crime. You can't escape this by saying "muh iz undocumented not illegal". That's a desperate point of semantics. If this is the only straw you can grasp at, I'd say you're acknowledging that your earlier comparison between deportation and the holocaust was improper.
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Mr. Reactionary
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« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2015, 02:28:11 PM »

Well, I'm obviously not American, so I see these things from an international perspective (I've lived in 4 different countries and I'm sure it will be more soon). However I argue exactly the same for my own country Norway. I wish we would be more liberal. That's why I was so happy that Angela Merkel and Pope Francis were the two biggest favourites to win the Nobel Peace Prize this year, cause they both argued that we should be much more hospitable towards refugees. Smiley

I have no quarrels with a European having European ideas for Europe. In the U.S. though, individual rights are much more ingrained (which I believe is best). An international government seems much more abusive of individual rights for Americans than a national government, and so I remain a nationalist. Borders may be artificial, but they still matter.
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