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koenkai
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« on: October 02, 2012, 11:56:46 AM »

This at the very least, plays into preexisting conceptions. The left in America is already associated more heavily with eugenics (which is interesting because it tends to be the right in most nations) and has a lot more irreligious types who are relatively hostile towards the mentally disabled. Although hardly representative of the whole movement/party, there are still a lot of them, especially in the upper-classes - as shown by the whole Trig attacks.
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koenkai
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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2012, 12:23:38 PM »

Uh no, it's the Right in America who cheer the notion of people without access to health care (which would include mental care) dying in the streets. It was Republican Governor Ronald Reagan who oversaw the closing of a lot of mental hospitals here in California.

I enjoy this red herring. The potentially negative implications of right-wing health policy has nothing to do with the fact that culturally, the pro-eugenics, hostile to mentally-disabled crowd of Americans generally congregates on the Left. And I'm not saying that they're representative at all - it's probably their irreligion that drives them to the Democrats. But they can be loud - because they often tend to be wealthy (see: Bill Maher).
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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2012, 12:16:51 PM »

I don't really have a problem with atheism. I obviously do not. That would be ridiculous for many reasons. But it seems to be me that the common system of morality in the United States is tied extremely closely to religion. And when you take religion away from Americans...well, what do they have left?
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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2012, 12:26:32 PM »

I don't really have a problem with atheism. I obviously do not. That would be ridiculous for many reasons. But it seems to be me that the common system of morality in the United States is tied extremely closely to religion. And when you take religion away from Americans...well, what do they have left?

Their guns?

10/10 Joke.
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koenkai
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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2012, 06:35:14 PM »

What koenkai says about people with somewhat misfortune crypto-eugenicist beliefs often congregating in certain leftist circles in this country is entirely correct, more's the pity, although I note that the one of these types (albeit only regarding a specific mental state, not abnormal mental states in general) currently running for Senate is a Republican.

Crypto-eugenicist beliefs tend to harp on "improving the species" by twisting Darwinism into...something else entirely. So it's really hard to get a crypto-eugeniscism through a party where much of the base rejects that entirely.

IIRC, eugenics in America was always popular among two types: progressive reformer WASP types from California/NY and racists who wanted to sterilize blacks. But I would think that the former group is far more ascendent today, since the explosion of evangelical Christianity in the South probably shredded eugenicist thought there. Regardless, these groups have a long history in the USA.

I also suspect it's a Protestant thing. Since the only other countries to engage in huge amounts of eugenics were the Scandinavian countries, where it was a bipartisan effort (both the conservatives and social democrats approved). Then again, that might be going way too far. Scandinavian eugenics was pretty terrifying.

Japan also had a brief resurgence in Eugenics after World War II, though it was interestingly pushed by the JSP and then later shut down after the reverse course and ascendance of the LDP.
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