Kasich says if GOP doesnt evolve he will leave it

[Fuzzy Bear]

the republican party is going to be competetive again if people like kasich...who are pretty right-wing....are center-of-the-road-favorites for the post of candidate.

Yes, the GOP needed moderates like Ronald Reagan and the Class of 1980 to save it from oblivion after their 1974-76 losses.

Trump is NOT a "movement conservative", he's not an "Estabishment Republican", and he doesn't fit into any position mold the GOP has.  Yet he won the nomination by being different.  I believe that Trump, for whatever he has done or will do, has brought to an end the "You're a RINO!" process that was supposed to result in the coronation of Ted Cruz this year.  Big Government Conservative Protectionists nominated Trump, and they are a MAJOR constituency in the GOP.  And they're not going to meekly accept future nomination processes where the choice is one of who's the free-est trader, free-est marketer, lowest taxer, smallest governmenter, etc.  Trump's nomination exposed the fact that the GOP is NOT a "small government" party, and one of the results of this is that folks like Kasich (who is more in line with Trump on issues than with "movement conservatives"; his opposition to Trump is purely personal) will fare better in future Presidential nominating contests.

[Fuzzy Bear]

the republican party is going to be competetive again if people like kasich...who are pretty right-wing....are center-of-the-road-favorites for the post of candidate.

Yes, the GOP needed moderates like Ronald Reagan and the Class of 1980 to save it from oblivion after their 1974-76 losses.

Trump is NOT a "movement conservative", he's not an "Estabishment Republican", and he doesn't fit into any position mold the GOP has.  Yet he won the nomination by being different.  I believe that Trump, for whatever he has done or will do, has brought to an end the "You're a RINO!" process that was supposed to result in the coronation of Ted Cruz this year.  Big Government Conservative Protectionists nominated Trump, and they are a MAJOR constituency in the GOP.  And they're not going to meekly accept future nomination processes where the choice is one of who's the free-est trader, free-est marketer, lowest taxer, smallest governmenter, etc.  Trump's nomination exposed the fact that the GOP is NOT a "small government" party, and one of the results of this is that folks like Kasich (who is more in line with Trump on issues than with "movement conservatives"; his opposition to Trump is purely personal) will fare better in future Presidential nominating contests.

There's one small issue with this: where do the liberal Republicans go? The business-friendly, but (relatively) socially moderate ones who got behind Romney, for instance? Do they become Democrats? Libertarians?

There are no "liberal" Republicans any more then there are any "conservative" Democrats.  There are no Jacob Javits/Ed Brooke types in the GOP, nor are there any James Eastland/Harry F. Byrd figures in the Democratic Party. 

There are Bill Weld-type Republicans who are socially liberal, small-government types.  Over time, they will become Democrats, much as TheShadowyAbyss has.  It would be a rational choice; the Democratic Party under the Clintons, then and now, has embraced a combination of social liberalism and Wall Street-type economic conservatism that these folks are comfortable with.  And the Democratic Party will accommodate them. 

At the same time, many working class Democrats who are supporting Trump will become full-bore Republicans.  Many have already, but there are a number in the Rust Belt that will switch to the GOP due to agreement on social issues, immigration, and trade.  How much of this happens will depend on the degree to which the GOP actively opposes the sort of Globalism that has shafted these folks.

Of course, the GOP, itself, doesn't get it.  I'm watching Maria Bartiromo and Jim Nicholson on FOX right now, and they're talking about how unions won't allow the VA to fire people, how it's like the schools, where prinicpals can't fire "bad teachers" and put "the best players on the field".  The middle class was built on a social contract that offered a degree of stability to folks who worked hard and faithfully.  Is a job, or a career, really a matter of trying out for the varsity team every year, and getting cut when you're not as good as the kid who moved in from another district and is a step faster?  Or the coach's son/daughter?  Trump gets this more than the rest of the GOP, and, in no small measure, it explains some of the disconnect between Trump and the Social Darwinists who have taken the GOP to defeat repeatedly.

[Fuzzy Bear]

If he is getting accused of being both a RINO and a far right conservative by Atlas posters, Kasich is doing something right.

And yes, he is right about the need to reform the GOP. The truth is that if the GOP had any brains, he would now be the nominee and running 10 points ahead of Clinton.

Considering Clinton has been called everything from "left-wing" and "pandering to the Bernie far left" to "conservative neocon" and "far-right" on here, what does that make her?

A centrist?

Only in the sense that Donald Trump is a "centrist".  She's a moderate on economics, but an ultra-liberal on social issues.

[Fuzzy Bear]

The Trump wing of the GOP must be defeated and destroyed at all costs.

You are not even a Republican any more. What do you care?

Because they are toxic to our American ideals, of inclusiveness, of fairness, and of the inalienability of human rights. Trump has abandoned all of these, and if one of our major parties follows suit, we're done for.

Hillary, on the other hand, has abandoned the concept of the Rule of Law, both in her personal conduct in office and on immigration policy, where she refuses to enforce the laws as currently written.

"Inclusiveness" in Hillarese is a concept that excludes religious and social conservatives; their views are to be disregarded and their churches and institutions are to be infiltrated and the viewpoints of those institutions to be bent to her liking. 

That Hillary does these things by e-mail, using clean language and good manners doesn't make them "American".