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« on: April 14, 2004, 05:35:30 PM »

This is really great Harry.  I'm sorry that I missed this for so long.  Awesome man, keep it up.  But you need to come-up with an event that breaks the Progressives control.  Just a thought.
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« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2004, 05:38:46 PM »

I also must say that for some reason the thought of this whole thing happening is kinda scary.

Also, I read much of this in dread because I was waiting for some event that caused the break-up of the USA.  Plunging America into the status of the current Russian Federation or Britian after the break-up of the Empire.  I think that you are driving to that though.  That's gonna be kinda cool to see how you figure that one out.
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« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2004, 05:39:47 PM »

This is really great Harry.  I'm sorry that I missed this for so long.  Awesome man, keep it up.  But you need to come-up with an event that breaks the Progressives control.  Just a thought.
progressives rule!

When you have total party control like this, there is always some event that causes realignment.
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« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2004, 02:19:23 AM »
« Edited: June 12, 2004, 02:26:27 AM by supersoulty »

As alternate history, this is awful, terrible and the AH boards should rip it to shreds.  It fails the plausibility test early and often, and suffers from the ridiculous notin that after a century of changes the same people will bein the same place doing the same things, sometimes to the same people.

As far as writing and storytelling, it is excellent stuff, really.  Once you trhough plausibility, and even possibility, out the window, and everyone accepts that, it is fun.  Plus the story is internally consistent, which is rare once people start throwing the rules of AH out the window.  

Though the exact same things happeneing on the same date with no logial reason in some of the most recent parts are really off putting.  THe RFK assassination and the Reagan ones are just way too much.  

And if you are going to keep the same OTL assassins how can you skip Squeaky Fromme?  THE best would ba assassin name!



Ever read Turtledove's "American Empire" series.  If massivly flunks the plausability test right out of the gate.  He has people who were born long after the point of divergence, doing the same things and with the same life-stories.

Just to list:

Ronald "Dutch" Reagan:  He is doing radio for sports in the 1930's and even has the same nick name as in the OTL!!

Joe Kennedy:  Still a Democrat party boss in Boston and still married to Rose. (though not as wealthy or prominant because there is no prohibition)

Mordecai "Three Fingure" Brown:  Not a baseball player in this TL, but a construction worker who still lost his fingures.

Lou Gehrig:  Not a baseball Player, but the star quarterback of the "Philadelphia Barrels".  And he still uses his old Hoover line (except with Blackford instead) "I know I had a better year last year than he did".

Jerry Voorhis:  Once a Senator and now US ambassador to the CSA and still a Socialist.

Herbert Hoover:  President of the United States after President-elect Calvin Coolidge dies of a heart attack, on the exact same day he did in the OTL.

Barry Goldwater: An upstart congressman from New Mexico (the Arizona/New Mexico Territory is never split in two) who is a hard-line conservative Democrat (since the Democrats and Socialists are the two major parties).

Wendel Wilkie: Runs for President on the ticket of the hapless Republican Party (which is the moderate party and holds but a few seats in congress) in 1940.

These are, but a few examples in the story.  The point I am trying to make is that in order for Alternate History to be fun and in order for a reader to be able to realate to it, you need recongnizable events and faces, even though it is almost impossible for these people to have existed in a NTL.



P.S. And though I was never able to prove it, I always suspected that Hitler is in the "Great War" series the precludes the "American Empire" series.

Anyway, welcome to the forum Tedrick.  I love AH.  Hope you stick around.  

And to everyone, I will start-up my "President Dole" timeline to follow up on my "Alternate 1996" timeline.  I just haven't had a chance.
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« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2004, 03:24:51 AM »

Really, where did you see Hitler? The only Austrian I remember is that one who followed Morell around in the Canadian Rockies for a while, but he didn't seem the type at all. Anyway, Featherston is Hitler, more or less.

BTW soulty, I'm only up to the book that ends with Jake's election. What exactly is the secret plan to beat the Union, I'm guessins it resembles Barbarossa. I don't mind you spoiling it for me.

We still don't know what it is after book three.  Smiley

Remember, the Austrian had an aid who was a Sergent.  Turtledove never mentions his name, but makes a big deal out of mentioning him several times.  I always thought he was going to drop the bomb and say he was Hitler, but he never did.  I had a feeling though.
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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2004, 10:43:11 PM »

HT is awful at AH right now.  He can't create a divregency without using some out there gimmick.  

I've stopped reading him.

The worst AH I ever read was about the Falkland Islands War.  The scenario was it happening a few years earlier.  In teh book, after the Argentine invasion, the RN is hastily assembled and sent down in about a week.  They scrape up a few infantry divisions to go down and do the nasty work of actually fighting on the islands.  The fleet overcomes some techinical difficulties arising from being scrambled so fast and gets to the island and handily defeats the Argentine navy.  THen they go about planning the invasion of the islands.

Only no one brought a map.

The RN forgot to give them a map of the islands the were supposed to invade.

Thankfully one of the Captains in the fleet used to have a sail boat and sailed around the islands.  Even better, he happened to bring it along, just in case it was needed.

Then they draw up their plans to invade the island and assign the Ghurkas, one of the finest light infantry units in the world, the extremely difficult task of guarding prisoners.

The entire invasion sees, if I remember correctly, 5 casualties.

Now that was bad AH.


Turtledove is very gimicky, but I still enjoy his work.  World War was a great TL.  I will be reading the "Settleing Accounts" series when the first one comes out.  I just hope that he resists the temptation of making it too much like the real WWII.
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« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2004, 02:34:14 PM »

You have Gephardt defeating Thatcher!?!?  I just lost all respect for this TL.
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« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2004, 07:39:10 PM »

You have Gephardt defeating Thatcher!?!?  I just lost all respect for this TL.

Who cares about partisan politics in this sense? This timeline is amusing and creative, not a tool that can be bent to the wishes of various partisans.

Wow.  You took me way too seriously.
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