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12th Doctor
supersoulty
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« on: January 18, 2008, 07:12:28 PM »

I liked our previous environs just fine.

This reminds me of a government class I had back in high school.  The teacher insisted that it was a class about "goverment" not "politics"... so I raised my hand and said, "So this is a course abotu government in theory, then?"

Any discussion of the Middle East without Israel is just a discussion in theory.
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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2008, 07:20:25 PM »

Well, this place is especially for Israel, since Hashemite has complained. Other countries have their own threads.

Well... most of those countries are recongnized by 90% of the worlds population which makes Israel rather unique, wouldn't you say... it only being recongnized by about 5/6 of the world.
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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2008, 07:24:15 PM »

Well, this place is especially for Israel, since Hashemite has complained. Other countries have their own threads.

Well... most of those countries are recongnized by 90% of the worlds population which makes Israel rather unique, wouldn't you say... it only being recongnized by about 5/6 of the world.

Smiley

Wow... and here I thought that would make the debate devolve into some kinda Buckley/Vidal shouting match that ended in you calling my a crypto fascists and me calling you a queer.
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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2008, 07:52:19 PM »

Alright... well here:


The t********s (no, I don't even use the word) are not monolithic, and saying you should build a big wall and deprive them of their livelihood to keep a few "t********s" out is akin to the Japanese internment.

The fact that you won't even call these people "terrorists" just goes to show how intellectually dishonest you are being.  First, you are trying to disavow the actions of these "few", but then you turn around and act as though what they are doing isn't that bad anyway.  You want to call them freedom fights.  Just admit it.

I'm Irish... there are Irish terrorist too, pal.  And I think my people were done a huge disservice by the English.  A terrorist is a terrorist, whether they praise Allah, or wear a green necktie and sing "Danny Boy".

I can hardly think any cause is worth strapping a bomb to yourself and blowing up a bus.  Or hiding a car bomb in a market place.  The people who are so pissed off about the Jews taking their land today were never alive during a time when things were any different.  Get over it!  Maybe if you did, then the Jews would feel the compulsion to keep the Palestinians where they can be watched.  If I went back and demanded some kinda compensation from Queen Elizabeth II would be laughed out of the room.  What makes you think the Arabs are worthy of any other reaction?

And last a checked, a very large number of Palestinians at least tacitly support the actions of the PLO And others, so don't even try to feed me that line.

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The Jews were perfectly willing to live side by side with Palestinians, in 1947.  It was the Palestinians who were totally unwilling to negotiate.  Just as it has been the Palestinians who have backed away from the table every single time since.

As for the line, didn't the Arab attacks on Israel during the Six Day War kinda negate the line anyway?  Honestly, I couldn't care less, regardless.

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For strategic purposes, they took territory, yes.  Let me assure you, if Kuwait had kicked Iraq's ass all by itself back in 1991, then they would have taken territory, too.  The fact that we did it for them is the reason they didn't.  Israel took territory because no one else is really willing to help defend them.  Kuwait doesn't have to worry about that, ergo your analogy sucks.

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Monetary compensation wasn't coming.  The reason for taking much of the territory, as I expressed before, was strategic.  As for the nation-state... Israel wanted to negotiate a Palestinian state from day one, but the Palestinians turned both Israel, and the ever precious U.N. down.
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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2008, 02:48:25 AM »

Kol od ba levav penima
nefesh yehudi Homiyah
Ulefa'atei mizra'h kadima
Ayin le siyon tsofiah

Od lo avda tiqvateinu
Hatiqva bat alpayim
Lihiot am 'hofshi bey'artseynu
Erets siyon vi'yerushalaim
Lihiot am 'hofshi be artzeinu
Erets siyon vi'yerushalaim


"Never again." 

^^^^^^^
Sadly, those words have lost their meaning today, as similar heinous crimes still go on all over the world.
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