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politicallefty
Junior Chimp
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« on: January 29, 2017, 01:27:05 PM »

If it makes the ballot, it will have my vote. I don't expect it to pass, but if the vote is even somewhat close (say at least in the low to mid-40s support), I expect it to have serious ramifications on political discourse in this country. If it were to actually somehow pass, I think we'd be facing one of the most serious constitutional crises this country has ever faced.
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politicallefty
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2017, 08:15:31 PM »

Then you're just like these Brexit "sending a message, no chance it passes" voters.

Not at all. I actually would like it to pass. But if it doesn't, I'm not going to have my heart broken. There's no doubt it would send a powerful message if a significant population of a state chooses independence.
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politicallefty
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2017, 09:35:32 AM »

California should leave the union and take ALL of Hollywood with them. The left is deluded as it always has been. I guarantee everyone on this forum and you can quote me on this should there be a secession, California will become a third world hell hole and the laughing stock of North America. Businesses would rather stay in the United States than California should they become independent. Let their economy go bust by electing Sanderista's and making more and more regulations. No one will want to stay there at all. It will be brutal to live in that hell hole should they become independent. Trump should already start constructing the wall around California.

I think that's funny. Your side really is that deluded into thinking that right-wing authoritarianism is the best way to go. Where in the world does that actually succeed and benefit the people? The most prosperous nations in the world with the best outcomes in terms of life expectancy and general well-being have policies that support the working class.

The only downside to living in California is the cost of housing (although that is true of a number of places with high demand and slow growth of supply), and it is significant one, I will admit. California has a vibrant and diverse economy and that would continue whether or not it becomes an independent nation. The policies that are harming this state are not left-wing policies.

I support the potential 2018 referendum because I'm feeling like this country is fundamentally beyond repair. Trump is only a symptom of something much greater. I don't prefer it as a first option, but I think the option needs to be retained and it appears to be the superior option right now. Other countries adapt to their evolving political systems. The United States is constitutionally locked into a system that does not work for the people. We need fundamental, constitutional changes or we need to dissolve as a nation.
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