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bedstuy
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« on: May 07, 2014, 12:32:03 PM »

It's funny how the anti-racists are in favor of the n-word and treating people different on account of their race.
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bedstuy
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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2014, 01:23:02 PM »

It's funny how the anti-racists are in favor of the n-word and treating people different on account of their race.

Really? You don't see how Snowguy calling Simfan a 'house n' is slightly different to the countless classic hip hop tunes using the casual "nigga"? Only white people think that that makes any sense.

Gay people should stop calling themselves queer because if I call a guy in the street a queer people will think I'm a homophobe. I'm being oppressed! Sad

A white person using the n-word is worse than a black person using the n-word.  Someone using the n-word to be hateful is worse than using the n-word as conversation filler.  But, that doesn't mean that anyone should use the n-word.

It's funny how the anti-racists are in favor of the n-word and treating people different on account of their race.

Anti-racists are doing neither.

As to Simfan's thing, some people believe that the position of black people in this country is because they listen to rap music, call each other a word, and wear baggy pants. Other people believe it's because of centuries of oppression that persists in structural and systemic inequality. One of these views is just the latest in a long line of rich people attacking poor people for living in poverty, essentially victim-blaming; the other is actually supported by historical and contemporary evidence.

I don't see why we need to have two opposing viewpoints on this.  If you look at black poverty, you have these structural factors like drug laws which have decimated black men.  That should change.  But, that doesn't mean that the black community has no agency in dealing with social problems and poverty.  You have this kind of mental enslavement that Simfan talked about which really hurts black people.  People need to be honest about taking that on if you're going to take on the cycle of poverty that afflicts a lot of black people.

I know there are racists like Bill O'Reilly who want to use black's real problems to bolster their racist views.  That's why this is all touchy.  But, that doesn't mean we need to get into this tribalist game where black people are either entirely powerless victims or racist stereotypes.
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2014, 03:07:36 PM »

The problem is not about baggy pants. The problem is about a self-defeating culture that denigrates success through hard work as "white", demeans education, shouts "f[inks] the police", suffers from broken families, etc.  No sane person would deny that racial oppression is what caused this problem, absolutely. But that doesn't mean racial oppression is what is perpetuating it.

Please, guys, read the book.

Right.  Nobody is disagreeing about the history.

I think what you and I are saying is that framing black people as defined totally by racism and victimhood in 2014 is thoroughly unhelpful.  As there is still a major problem of racism among whites, there is a corresponding problem of self-internalized racism among blacks.  Both groups have the agency to do better, even if blacks are in a historical sense the obvious victim.  It's unfair that our country has brutalized and marginalized blacks for hundreds of years, but focusing on the unfairness is not the pathway to improve today.
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