SENATE BILL: Senate Resolution on the 2014 Crimean Crisis (Amendment Vote)

[windjammer]

First they came for the Georgians, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not Georgian.

Then they came for Crimeans, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not Crimean.

Then they came for East Ukrainians, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not East Ukrainian.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

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Please Senators, don't let the Russians, a folk of alcoholic homophobic, take Crimee. Just because the True Leftists here can't criticize Moscow because of its communist past. And the new governor in Ukraine isn't nazi, that's definitely a blatant lie.

[windjammer]

First they came for the Georgians, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not Georgian.

Then they came for Crimeans, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not Crimean.

Then they came for East Ukrainians, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not East Ukrainian.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

...
Please Senators, don't let the Russians, a folk of alcoholic homophobic, take Crimee. Just because the True Leftists here can't criticize Moscow because of its communist past. And the new governor in Ukraine isn't nazi, that's definitely a blatant lie.

Um... what?

Have you seen Snowstalkers's past comments?

[windjammer]

First they came for the Georgians, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not Georgian.

Then they came for Crimeans, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not Crimean.

Then they came for East Ukrainians, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not East Ukrainian.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

...
Please Senators, don't let the Russians, a folk of alcoholic homophobic, take Crimee. Just because the True Leftists here can't criticize Moscow because of its communist past. And the new governor in Ukraine isn't nazi, that's definitely a blatant lie.

Um... what?

Have you seen Snowstalkers's past comments?

Snowstalker is not representative of True Leftists on this site.

Maybe not, but he seems to use the same logic than TNF here; "AAAAAAARGH, the new ukrainian government is full of nazis".
And yes, I tend to believe that the far-left seem to face some difficulties to condemn openly Russia. See Mélenchon in France. Maybe TNF could explain why he's so opposed to defend a country who is being oppressed by a dictatorship?

[windjammer]

Windjammer is simply the best.

[windjammer]

First they came for the Georgians, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not Georgian.

Then they came for Crimeans, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not Crimean.

Then they came for East Ukrainians, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not East Ukrainian.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

...
Please Senators, don't let the Russians, a folk of alcoholic homophobic, take Crimee. Just because the True Leftists here can't criticize Moscow because of its communist past. And the new governor in Ukraine isn't nazi, that's definitely a blatant lie.

Um... what?

Have you seen Snowstalkers's past comments?

Snowstalker is not representative of True Leftists on this site.

Maybe not, but he seems to use the same logic than TNF here; "AAAAAAARGH, the new ukrainian government is full of nazis".
And yes, I tend to believe that the far-left seem to face some difficulties to condemn openly Russia. See Mélenchon in France. Maybe TNF could explain why he's so opposed to defend a country who is being oppressed by a dictatorship?

The fact that my amendment doesn't cut out the condemnation of Russia speaks volumes as to my position here. I do strongly condemn Russia for it's violation of Ukrainian sovereignty. That being said, I do not think that it is the business of Atlasia to get involved here beyond condemnation. Our involvement will only heighten tensions with Russia and make things worse. Again, I'm not about to "give my full support" to a government led around by the nose by armed neo-Nazis, either.

What good does saying you "strongly condemn" something do if you aren't actually willing to get involved and do anything about it?

Because quite frankly we should not be involved nor should we "do anything about it" beyond condemn the action of Russia for what it is - a gross violation of international law. It would not be wise to risk armed confrontation with Russia for the sake of ensuring the survival of a fascist-aligned government in Ukraine.

Once again, maybe the ukraine government isn't a socialist government like you would do, but THEY ARENT NAZIS.

Well, do nothing, then this folk of alcoholic homophobic will invade the rest of Ukraine, then they will invade Estonia, Lituania,...
You're doing the same mistakes as Europeans with Hitler. You always prefer to play the Pacifist card, then it's too late because dictator will never stop until they are destroyed. Just for what? "Because I don't want to be involved" Wooooooooooow. I just hope the senate isn't full of lolilol pacifists. I will quote Churchill, a sentence he said to Chamberlain after the Munich Agreements: "You were given the choice between war and dishonour. You have chosen dishonour and you will get war".

I can understand some reluctancy to help syrian rebels because they were full of Al Qaeda members. But this is definitely not the case for Ukraine.

[windjammer]

Might we also allow for the free immigration of those in Ukraine who feel threatened by the new government there?

Loooooooool. Are you serious?

[windjammer]

Might we also allow for the free immigration of those in Ukraine who feel threatened by the new government there?

Loooooooool. Are you serious?

I know, we're debating ukrainen immigration when we have an influx of aliens to deal with?..crazy.

Why do you speak about aliens?
I just reacted to TNF's post, who seems to insinuate that the new ukrainian government could lead to massive persecution.