The Federalist Party: June 2014 Convention (LEADERSHIP DECLARATIONS!)

[windjammer]

The case for nominating SirNick:

Senator Lumine addresses the Federalist Convention on June 9th:

My fellow Federalists,

I come to you as an Atlasian that has been close to the center-right from my very beginnings in this game, even if my membership in this party is quite recent. I come to you to offer my take on the presidential race, now that we face such a crucial decision between two tickets to endorse. I know very well that this election is bound to be competitive and close, and I understand as well that many members of this party feel unhappy with some past events and are also worried about the future of the center-right in Atlasia. But even knowing that some of you would have liked to see a team of two Federalists running for higher office, I wish to advocate for a specific road ahead, a road that I hope it’s acceptable and even perfect for most of you. Thus, I formally nominate SirNick for the Federalist nomination for President, and Dallasfan for the Federalist nomination for Vice-President. SirNick is an Atlasian that has consistently showed skill, determination and the willingness to lead when leadership is needed, he has a considerable amount of experience at most levels of regional and federal government, and his many accomplishments can’t be denied. I feel this party should nominate this ticket and give them the chance to lead and attempt to solve some of the problems that continue to worry many of us, as we all know that Atlasia is facing a crisis one way or another, either by the ghost of inactivity and the rise of potentially harmful policies. They have showed that they can be both bold and reasonable, that they seek progress where we need progress, and not just change for the sake of changing things without a real motive.

Beyond SirNick’s many positive qualities, there’s another matter that we can’t overlook. After two consecutive defeats, the Labor Party is looking to return to the White House, and they seem to be stronger than ever. They control half the Senate, and they stand strong even in light of challenges to their Senators in the upcoming weeks. I believe nobody can deny that the ticket of Gov. DemPGH and Gov. Windjammer is a strong ticket. Both of them are good Atlasians (and Windjammer has been a great friend to me, just as he has been to others) with a good number of accomplishments, and they belong to the moderate and reasonable wing of the Labor Party, that can’t be denied, I say. But alas, the President and the Vice-President don’t govern alone. They govern with a cabinet, and they govern with a party. And when some elements of the extreme wing of Labor introduce proposals to fully nationalize industries, when they call entire groups of people “parasites”, when they advocate the dangerous road of leaving our allies in the world alone and try to lead us to having an even bigger mess in our Health Care policy, then we know that the choice is clear, and we know that there are risks out there in the next Presidential term. And so I ask of you, Federalists, to give your endorsement and your invaluable support to SirNick and Dallasfan and unite the center and the center-right once again to defeat Labor, as we have successfully done so in the past in so many races.

Federalists, let us embrace SirNick as our nominee and get out there to win this election!

Hello Lumine, I just thank you for your kind words, we are obviously friends, but this time, we have to disagree .


Well, firstly, I would like to remind you, Lumine, that we're not TNF. TNF is someone I respect, but that doesn't mean I have the same ideology than him. Firstly, you speak about foreign issues, in our foreign platform, we have clearly said that we will support Ukraine, by helping them economically, and by taking sanctions against Russia. So I don't understand why you believe the election of the DemPGH/Windjammer ticket would be "leaving our ally alone". And every person who knows what I believe on foreign policy, knows as well I'm definitely not an isolationnist or something like that. You have yourself praised our foreign program Lumine,

As someone who was rather curious on the foreign policy of this campaign (as SirNick had already released his ideas), I can certainly support the expressed views on the reform of the United Nations (I took a very similar stance in my Presidential campaign after all), and I am quite happy to see this ticket taking a stand with Senator Alfred and against Senator TNF in the issue of Ukraine.

Now you speak about healthcare Lumine, is it because we support Single Payer? We obviously support single payer, but I would like to remind all of you that Sirnick himself signed the TNF petition (like DemPGH and myself did) for single payer.

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And we're not advocating for the nationalization of the industry, neither the Labor Pparty. If I have to break the tie, I will obviously vote no, and if DemPGH has to sign or not this bill, he will obviously veto.

DemPGH and I have written our program by ourselves.

As Governors, we have both easily worked with the Federalist Party. That's why the Federalist Pacific Chairman, Devin, has endorsed our ticket. And Cris voted most of my agenda. We have always respected the Federalists, and we don't plan to suddenly change on that.

DC and Lumine are buddies to me for a long time, I have good relations with Goldwater and Yankee seems to be likable and adept of compromise, if elected, I'm sure I would easily work with the Federalist senators.

DC chose to endorse our ticket, I hope this is another proof that we're not "labor extremists" like some people think, and I hope he will explain you by himself why he endorsed the DemPGH/Windjammer ticket (mostly because he preferred the social moderate pro religious Windjammer, over Dallasfan  who signed the bill legalizing pornography for 5 years old https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=189372.0)

As governor, I would like to remind all of you I sponsored and signed a bill cutting the Midwest Corporate tax by 20% (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=188489.0) and focused on education (tuition, aditionnal funds...). You may disagree with my agenda, but that's definitely not a revolutionnary agenda, much more a reformist agenda. (Oh and I guess I will be attacked on the MW LGBT bill, the goal of this bill was to protect the LGBT community from discrimination, I recognize it was poorly written, but it has never been made to transform the LGBT into a superior class, like Snowstalker believed).

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Now, the second point, I believe that the Federalist Party doesn't seem to see exactly WHO are their current enemies. This is not the Labor Party, or the DemPGH/Windjammer ticket, this is the democrat-republican party.

This is one of the first time, where, except the Midwest regional race, there isn't any fed-labor match up. The Labor Party will even endorse soon Yankee over Maxwell (oh and by the way, this is funny to see that Maxwell is trying to persuade you to support his candidate, considering he has basically backed EVERY federalist opponent: himself, Murray, and even TNF!!!!, of course he has the right to do that, but this is just funny .) You can even be sure that both the D-R candidates won't be backed by the left. If Yankee and DC win reelection, one of the reasons will be that the left would have backed them over their D-R challenger.

However, the D-R party is actually trying to defeat you all they can: In the Mideast and in the South. Ii would like to remind you that this is the party that is strongly backing the Sirnick-Dallasfan ticket. Dallasfan is a member of this party, and Sirnick has clearly endorsed Maxwell over Yankee.

That's why I believe the Federalist Party shouldn't believe the DemPGH/Windjammer, and even the Labor Party, are your enemy. Of course, I wouldn't say thr Labor Party is a friendly party to you, but at least, this isn't the party that is currently trying to completely annihilate you.

And to quote a famous member of the D-R party, who is seeking as well your endorsement:

I say it's time we fight back against the Labor/Federalist assault on small businesses and small farms in Atlasia and return power from corrupt legislators and corporate cartels to everyday people on Main Street, those who form the backbone of our economy.

[windjammer]

Governor Riley Keaton takes to the microphone

My friends and fellow patriots,
While we are smart folks with great concern for this country, I believe we are being misled. The Roght and Honorable Windjammer has put forth effort to distance himself and his running mate from the TNF-Lablr agenda. While I admire their political sense, TNF is no Sister Souljah. He's their intellectual godfather.

It is naive of us to believe that the same ticket who resisted our good President's effort in the pacific only to later claim the success of those policies, it is naive to believe that their agenda rests with patriotism and people instead of politics. The Veep nominee for the TNF-Labor agenda is disgusted with the idea of free speech. This is not a harmless decision. We must, as a matter of moral duty, oppose the Labor Party.

To presume that DemPGH will be anything short of a rubber stamp for the TNF-Labor agenda, is to presume too much. We must not allow our country to fall into the hands of such irresponsible, destructive, and ideological children. We must endorse someone who is not of labor origin.

I just don't believe that the right of free speech should allow people to insult someone else. You may disagree, but that's hardly a controversial issue...

Oh and,

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Sirnick was himself a member of the Labor Party .
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And Lumine, thanks again for your kind words. I'm sorry for not having been really clear in my last message, and you don't seem to have completely understood what I wanted to say, that's my fault. So I will try again.

What I wanted to say is that this isn't the Labor Party that is trying to unseat two federalist senators. So that's true for saying we're actually not your enemy, simply because there isn't a single race (except the Midwest senate), where this time, both our parties aren't fighting each other. And as I have already said, the Labour Party isn't a friend to the Federalist Party. But fairly, the Labor Party isn't trying to destroy you, they aren't running candidates against half of your senator.

And even if you seem to disagree with me on this issue, the left isn't the major force in both the mideast and the Pacific, but there are still members, right? So, when two different right fight each other, this is always a good plus to have the support from the left? (irl: see cochran trying to appeal to democrat voters for the run off, see Vance Mcallister winning with the support of the left,...). That's what Ii wanted to say, and I'm sorry if I wasn't clear.

Now for the D-R, they're trying to replace the Feds senators, regions where, I agree, the Labor Party would never be able to be competitive. So yep, Ii believe right now, the DR is much more a threat to you, because they're trying to to win in places where you're usually strong, they're trying to replace the typical federalist candidate by their own kind of right.

I hope I have been clearer, I'm sorry if I have failed again.

[windjammer]

Oh boy, I haven't been attacked like this in a long time

The only reason Labor isn't trying to knock off Senators Yankee and DC is because they lack structure in either region. If Labor did, they would. And unlike Labor, The D-R's actually agree with the Federalists on a lot of key issues. DemPGH and Windjammer are pragmatic individuals, don't get me wrong, but there is absolutely no question over who would get more accomplished in favor of Federalist policies in the long haul. It's that simple, and attacks on my character are just there to distort the facts.

I will be leaving the floor now.

Attacks on your character? Oh please. The facts that your party is currently trying to unseat 2 federalist senators, and that is the fact as well.

So that was just funny to see you were at the same time advocating for Sirnick, considering you're trying to at the same time to unseat the federalist chairman .

You can agree with the federalists on many issues, but that doesn't mean that you're not trying to unseat them, and like you said, where the Labor Party didn't try .

[windjammer]

This isn't about me, this is about Sirnick. Sirnick and Dallasfan have a terrific records, and unlike the good records of DemPGH and Windjammer, it's one that advocates policies that Federalists have been pushing this whole time. You can make the conversation about how the D-R's are running in elections against Federalists, and you maybe can make some headway on that argument, but that distracts from the substance at the core that DemPGH will be far more likely to sign off legislation that will defeat the principles spelled out in the Federalist Platform.

And I know my views as a Former Federalist Chairman doesn't mean jack anymore, but I think it would be harmful to the party as a whole if the party just backed the Labor candidate, especially when there is another candidate who far better represents what the party stands for.

I wouldn't ask the federalist party nomination if I believed that the Sirnick/Dallasfan ticket was a ticket that the Feds could easily support, Maxwell. And I believe that's not actually the case. The legalization of pornography made by Dallasfan for 5-years-old for instance .

[windjammer]

I have not appreciated for nothing the recent words of Keaton.
Please read the Windjammer speech --> https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=193766.0

Thank you Cris.

Here is my message:

As you probably know, the MW LGBT was struck down by the Supreme Court. So I guess I have to explain some things. I thank the Associate Justice for having let me defend this bill by the way.

Firstly, the goal of this bill. I received some PM by some people saying they couldn't vote for someone who wanted to "transform the gay community into a superior class". Let me be clear. The goal of this bill was made to forbide the firing based on sexual orientation motive. Something, I believe, most of Atlasia agree. Who believe someone should be fired based on their sexual orientation? That's what the motive of this bill, nothing extreme as you can see. The problem was the writing of this bill, and I'm sorry for that.

Now the second point, I read some comments, saying that I was against the right of free speech. I think I need to explain a bit my views on the right of free speech. Firstly, even if some people say the contrary, I support the right of free speech. I'm obviously pro-democracy (normal). However, I don't support the use of free speech to allow some disgusting comments. By saying that, I'm obviously referring to this case: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snyder_v._Phelps. That's my point of view. You may disagree, but if you truly want to defend the right of people to disturb funerals because they're anti-gay, in name of free speech, that's your choice. Oh and, this is my view, I don't know the Labor thinks about that, so accusations on the Labor Party because of my views on free speech are definitely pointless.


Then, I received attacks from Riley Keaton. Firstly, I just want to say I don't understand why you're so hostile to me. I mean, one of the few bills (or the only bill, I'm not sure)  you wrote, failed to pass the Mideast Assembly, mostly because it was poorly written (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=190391.0). So I thought that you can understand that mistakes can happen, that this is difficult to write bills,etc, because you had this experience. But that's all, you do whatever to want. And don't worry, since I don't have a problem with agressivity, I won't start creating thread because you were unable to pass this bill, because it was poorly written .

But, you're accusing me of being a poor legislator. Well, during my long time as MW representative, then as MW Archduke, and now as MW Governor, I wrote, sponsored (and signed) a lot of bills. So this is unfair to me judging my entire career on only the MW LGBT bill, bill I didn't even write (but assumed sponsorship and signed though, so I totally assume the mistake).

But that's fine, you have the right to believe that my career has been totally terrible, I disagree because I believe this is unfair to me, to judge me on only one bill, but that's your right.

However, I would like to remind all of you that the Vice-President isn't a legislator. He's the president of the senate. His duty is to break the tie, and to be the speaker of the senate. His duty isn't to write bill, amendments or anything. So I don't see how the fact that the MW LGBT was struck down could say I would be a weak VP, I would have understood if I were running for a senate seat, but that's not the case, I'm running for VP, who breaks the tie and is the speaker of the senate, not a senator.

And then RileyKeaton, you accused the Labor Party of being the origin of the problems of the current health care system. This is funny you say that because you weren't able yourself to reform the current Mideast health care, but that's not true. Fritzcare passed 8-1, this is a compromise between the federalist party, the labor party, the People's Party and former parties like the Liberal Party. Here is the link of this law: https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Fritzcare


Oh and I forget, I will soon visit Berlin for few days. But don't worry, I will be back before the elections! So please Riley Keaton, don't open other threads saying I would be unable to be VP because I would be in Berlin, or that I'm a german spy or I don't know.




Well, if you have any questions, feel free to ask .

[windjammer]

There is a tendency in the party to put economy uber alles. But remember, politics is not strictly economics. D-R and radical Labor both reject the family values that Federalists hold dear. Dallasfan has approved bills that would make pornography available to children. I strongly urge my fellow Federalists to reject the libertine values of the D-R's and vote for DemPGH.

Its true that one must not forget the importance of issues besides taxation and spending; however, on these issues I frankly see little difference between the Labor mainstream, nevermind it's radicals, and the Democratic-Republicans. After all, back in March, I think, Governor Windjammer, who's probably among the most conservative Laborites with regard to issues of morality, signed a bill abolishing life without parole, and signed another essentially promoting the formation of brothels. Neither ticket is my ideal choice when it comes to such questions, so I think we must fall back upon economic issues, as well as the issue of whom is better able to stand up to the Jacobins in the Senate. The Labor ticket, for all of the merits of it's nominees, will find it harder to do so. Thus, I'd argue that SirNick is probably a better choice for Federalists generally.

Cassius, brothels were legal federally. The law I passed in the Midwest taxed them.
I have ont legzluzed brothels because they were already legal.

[windjammer]

The prostitution law I wrote restricted the building of brothels as well (not close to schools for instance)

The federal law was extremely liberal. What I have done was to restrict the building of brothels and It created à tax on that.

That's why cris voted for tgis bill.

[windjammer]

We thank to thank the federalist party for having considered our candidacy.
The fact that considering our party, we have been able to draw an impressive numberbof support and that zvery ticket failed to reach the majority, we consider that this is a good signing showing that if elected, we will be able to easily work with The federalist party!

Best regards,
Windjammer