The Iron Throne, the V ASOIAF Game (Sign Up - Rules Thread) (Turn Open)

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Wait, why did Desmera Redwynne did exactly?

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I'm so excited!!!! I never intended to be in a position of a claimant (that's why I chose Olenna initially) so things will be interesting for me next turns

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We just need the Lannisters and the Tullys/Riverlords then.

Are the lannisters really needed honestly ? I mean, Tarly could get appointed regent or something like that

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Personally, I would be fine with Dereich taking over the Lannisters and X taking control of the remaining Tully forces.

By the way Lumine, considering I was the Heir of Viserys and that I literally landed in Hightower areas, maybe the pro Hightowers faction should be put under my control as I see absolutely no scenario where no team is made between the two?

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I mean come on:

Me: "Well, I have my 25,000 army + the Dorne army as I as the son of Elia Martell, I just landed in Oldtown in order to help you win the Reach, you know the area where you are struggling against Randyl Tarly and that the only thing that can make you win is our army."

Hightower: "Oh no, I think it is a bad idea, let's fight you and the Tarlys at the same time because this is so rationale to do that, let's make the Hightower great again"


I mean, I'm not a whiner so I won't make a scandal about that, but I mean, X getting the Riverland army with a free pass (which I support because I don't want to complicate things) should be more difficult for him than me getting the support of the Hightowers considering the recent events.

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I mean come on:

Me: "Well, I have my 25,000 army + the Dorne army as I as the son of Elia Martell, I just landed in Oldtown in order to help you win the Reach, you know the area where you are struggling against Randyl Tarly and that the only thing that can make you win is our army."

Hightower: "Oh no, I think it is a bad idea, let's fight you and the Tarlys at the same time because this is so rationale to do that, let's make the Hightower great again"


I mean, I'm not a whiner so I won't make a scandal about that, but I mean, X getting the Riverland army with a free pass (which I support because I don't want to complicate things) should be more difficult for him than me getting the support of the Hightowers considering the recent events.

Not really, Catelyn is completely discredited and Lysa is the natural rallying point for the RiverLords of the remaining characters as you yourself agreed less than 24 hours ago  

Aegon is (like Lumine said) a complete unknown who can't just realistically expect to just magically win over everyone.  For all we know, he could easily be some smallfolk being passed off as a Targaryen and everyone thinks Aegon is dead.  If it's as common sense as you say, why not offer the Hightowers something for their loyalty

Unlike Aegon, Lysa has a strong, bloodline-based connection to the Riverlands (which is more than anyone else can say ).  With Catelyn done with politics, it'd go to Lysa by Westrosi law.  OTOH, you're kind of just saying you should get the Hightowers' loyalty because you landed there.  No offense, but I'm pretty sure Lysa objectively has a much stronger claim to The RiverLords loyalty than Aegon does to House Hightower's loyalty.

Catelyn decided to stop being Regent of the North. She is still Lady Paramount of the Riverlands, and if she wasn't anymore, her children would become Lord/Lady of the Riverlands before Lysa would have this title.

And I claim the Hightower support because I was recognized as the Heir of Viserys, and that the Hightowers are literally beinfg heavily dependent of the Dorne-Targaryen if they ever want to take control of the Reach, a difficult scenario and impossible without Leonard/my help.

And for the record, you launching a full assault against the targaryen fleet made me laugh so much, so insane, so Lysa

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I mean come on:

Me: "Well, I have my 25,000 army + the Dorne army as I as the son of Elia Martell, I just landed in Oldtown in order to help you win the Reach, you know the area where you are struggling against Randyl Tarly and that the only thing that can make you win is our army."

Hightower: "Oh no, I think it is a bad idea, let's fight you and the Tarlys at the same time because this is so rationale to do that, let's make the Hightower great again"


I mean, I'm not a whiner so I won't make a scandal about that, but I mean, X getting the Riverland army with a free pass (which I support because I don't want to complicate things) should be more difficult for him than me getting the support of the Hightowers considering the recent events.

Not really, Catelyn is completely discredited and Lysa is the natural rallying point for the RiverLords of the remaining characters as you yourself agreed less than 24 hours ago  

Aegon is (like Lumine said) a complete unknown who can't just realistically expect to just magically win over everyone.  For all we know, he could easily be some smallfolk being passed off as a Targaryen and everyone thinks Aegon is dead.  If it's as common sense as you say, why not offer the Hightowers something for their loyalty

Unlike Aegon, Lysa has a strong, bloodline-based connection to the Riverlands (which is more than anyone else can say ).  With Catelyn done with politics, it'd go to Lysa by Westrosi law.  OTOH, you're kind of just saying you should get the Hightowers' loyalty because you landed there.  No offense, but I'm pretty sure Lysa objectively has a much stronger claim to The RiverLords loyalty than Aegon does to House Hightower's loyalty.

Catelyn decided to stop being Regent of the North. She is still Lady Paramount of the Riverlands, and if she wasn't anymore, her children would become Lord/Lady of the Riverlands before Lysa would have this title.

And I claim the Hightower support because I was recognized as the Heir of Viserys, and that the Hightowers are literally beinfg heavily dependent of the Dorne-Targaryen if they ever want to take control of the Reach, a difficult scenario and impossible without Leonard/my help.

And for the record, you launching a full assault against the targaryen fleet made me laugh so much, so insane, so Lysa

Re: The bolded part: No offense, but some of this just comes across as semantic trolling.  It was pretty obvious that if the North revolted against her, she certainly had no pull left in the Riverlands.  Cat's kids are Starks, not Tullys so Lysa's claim comes before their claim.  It's like how Joffrey would've had no meaningful claim to Casterly Rock after Tywin died even though he's Cersei's son.

- Sounds like it shouldn't be hard for you to win over the Hightowers in negotiations then

- I'll have you know that the naval assault broke the Targaryen fleet.  Viserys attacked the Vale and where is he now?  Dead, that's where.  Any other Targaryens floating around would do well to remember that...

It's sad to see that you genuinely believe I'm trolling. No offense, but it seems you don't understand how the laws of succession in Westeros work.
In the Riverlands, it follows Agnaco Cognatic (like in the rest of Westeros except for the targaryens, the dornish and the greyjoys). Catelyn is the lady paramount of the Riverlands as she was the oldest sister of Edmure that he had no other brothers and didn't have any children. Her children (Catelyn) would inherit first before her youngest sister Lysa.

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Champing at my frosty bit! Any update on start of new turn?

Hmmmm... I probably need House Tully first. I really don't have the patience for three more pages on Westerosi inheritance law debates.

Maybe it should remain NPC?

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Champing at my frosty bit! Any update on start of new turn?

Hmmmm... I probably need House Tully first. I really don't have the patience for three more pages on Westerosi inheritance law debates.

You could just give it to me

Even Windjammer said he wouldn't object as it was the simplest solution.

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Honestly, guys, do whatever you want, as long as the game restarts soon.

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By the way guys I'm curious, Cersei is obviously now irrelevant but let's imagine she wasn't.
How would she react about Aegon ? I mean he's the son of someone she deeply loved but as well the son of Lyanna someone she hated.

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Are you all okay???

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By the way Lumine,
Does Connington have the grey scale in this scenario?

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Terribly sorry everyone but I'm going to have to withdraw. Life getting very hectic, in a good way but still! Enjoy the fun, and thanks especially to Lumine for providing it, as ever, so friskily

Perfectly understandable (I'm also struggling with finding time for the game), but good to know things are going well!

Any suggestions as to what to do with the North?

Make it NPC?

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Hmm...

There is certainly much left to roll with going forward. There is a lot of manpower to be spent. In several ways it's the most interesting game we've had. Then again there are only 6 real claimants to the IT; Aegon, Edric, Tommen, Shireen, Rhaego, and Myrcella. If you can give us another two rounds after this one, I'll take over as host.

But you have to take House Martell

Assuming I live much longer of course.

I agree with this plan

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But yes seriousky unless the ending you want is "the white walkers win", there are basically still 4 claimants who all have good shots to win this game. This game is far from over.

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How many people die?

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How many people die?

Believe it or not, no player died.

Three came close to dying, but survived.

There is one Game Over though (someone was captured in battle)

I'm curious,
Who almost died?

And by the way, could explain us how you determine survival or not?

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Anyway,
It has been a great pleasure to play this game with all of you. Best of luck to everyone and hopefully we will meet again in an another game!

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I'm sorry for hearing that.


Best of luck for everything

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If any characters are open (like Aegon?)
I would love to play again!

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Dickon Tarly, Aegon and Dorne are all open. I'd like to get players for both Dorne and Aegon, but one should work at least to keep moving.

Candidacy for Aegon!

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I can't wait!!!

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