So my Obama voting Mother tells me....

[sentinel]

Compared to McCain Obama was pretty clearly the anti-war candidate.

Not really, no. Obama cannot be described as anything other than pro-war, and that's putting it mildly.

Every comment you make is so incredibly wrong and biased that its hilarious.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Compared to McCain Obama was pretty clearly the anti-war candidate.

Not really, no. Obama cannot be described as anything other than pro-war, and that's putting it mildly.

Every comment you make is so incredibly wrong and biased that its hilarious.

I know you meant to direct this at Lief, since what I've said in this thread is incredibly correct and objective.

[ajc0918]

Your mom shouldn't be allowed to vote...

You shouldn't be allowed to vote, hack.

[Lief 🗽]

Compared to McCain Obama was pretty clearly the anti-war candidate.

Not really, no. Obama cannot be described as anything other than pro-war, and that's putting it mildly.

Er, yes, yes he was. Of the two candidates, Obama was the more anti-war of the two, as he didn't advocate bombing Iran, staying in Iraq and Afghanistant indefinitely, or threatening Russia. In what way was McCain the more anti-war candidate?

[Psychic Octopus]

Good to see you again, Naso. Anyway, I'm not sure if your mother is correct. It is still very early.

(Lol at the hackishness in this thread)

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Compared to McCain Obama was pretty clearly the anti-war candidate.

Not really, no. Obama cannot be described as anything other than pro-war, and that's putting it mildly.

Er, yes, yes he was. Of the two candidates, Obama was the more anti-war of the two, as he didn't advocate bombing Iran, staying in Iraq and Afghanistant indefinitely, or threatening Russia. In what way was McCain the more anti-war candidate?

The McBama twins were equally pro-war, both answering to the same war lobby. Obama was never an anti-war candidate, despite the many millions of idiots who voted for him believing this to be the case.

And here we are today, still in Iraq, and escalating in Afghanistan. Our foreign policy is virtually unchanged.

[Lief 🗽]

Compared to McCain Obama was pretty clearly the anti-war candidate.

Not really, no. Obama cannot be described as anything other than pro-war, and that's putting it mildly.

Er, yes, yes he was. Of the two candidates, Obama was the more anti-war of the two, as he didn't advocate bombing Iran, staying in Iraq and Afghanistant indefinitely, or threatening Russia. In what way was McCain the more anti-war candidate?

The McBama twins were equally pro-war, both answering to the same war lobby. Obama was never an anti-war candidate, despite the many millions of idiots who voted for him believing this to be the case.

And here we are today, still in Iraq, and escalating in Afghanistan. Our foreign policy is virtually unchanged.

When Georgia invaded Russia and Russia counter-invaded, McCain called for Russia to be kicked out of the G8, compared it to Iraq invading Kuwait, and generally sabre-rattled like a crazy person. Obama's response was much more level-headed.

John McCain joked about bombing Iran, and advocated for US intervention in Iran in the summer of 2009. Obama did not intervene or bomb Iran.

John McCain said that he would have no problem with staying in Iraq for 100 years. US forces in Iraq, under Obama's orders, are on track to have pulled out of the country by the end of next year.

Not to mention Obama's renewed outreach to our allies and embrace of diplomacy, something rejected by the Bush-McCain foreign policy team.

[benevolent democracy]

Some interesting points here...
First off I would like to say that though "frost/nixon" was technically 'before' my time, as a young voter learning about that situation had a profound effect on my faith in American democracy. Nixon himself says something to the effect "my actions have spoiled the faith of young americans who should want to be in politics, but will distrust deeply because of what I have done"

this rang true for me for years, not just because of Nixon (and what little I knew), but also later because of Bush Jr.

Obama preached a message of "hope" but the real problem is "dope", and no, I dont mean drugs...

I would like to see a president who has the balls to do something about lobbyists. "how can that even be legal", I ask myself even to this day? we tolerate so much...

As a people we can only generalize so much, I would really like to see a true Libertarian or Independent have a REAL shot at the office one day, but I can not help but question "by the time that person gets there, how many people and big business's would he have to be in 'bed' with? how many 'favors' and other 'special interests' would that person have?"

Running for President, to my dismay, I have learned is not the boyish dream of 'a true american representing the people, bright and shining, true and trustworthy'... Instead, as I got older I realized just how many ulterior motives are actually involved.

I want to quote "Any american capable of being elected president should by no means be allowed to do the job..." This seems to ring true for every election I have ever seen, executive and legislative alike...

Today I watched c-span for about 6 hours, back and forth between the senate and the house, at first I said to myself "YES, these guys do have it right, we Americans CAN get something done..." then, to my dismay, shortly after Kucinich's debate is squashed I realized I just witnessed 1 trillion dollars go out to other country's...

I had to admit, I was WITH Kucinich on ALL issues, every single point, but the debate made clear that there is so much going on in that part of the world that I actually found myself believing (for a MOMENT) that we SHOULD spend another trillion or two on the war...

whoever runs in 2012, dear god, I hope they come out of left field with some top notch solutions, and more... no ulterior motives. Please send us a true American, free of ties, bonds, back door deals, and full of the working mans common sense.

[Sasquatch]

whoever runs in 2012, dear god, I hope they come out of left field with some top notch solutions, and more... no ulterior motives. Please send us a true American, free of ties, bonds, back door deals, and full of the working mans common sense.

What kind of country do you think you live in?

[sentinel]

whoever runs in 2012, dear god, I hope they come out of left field with some top notch solutions, and more... no ulterior motives. Please send us a true American, free of ties, bonds, back door deals, and full of the working mans common sense.

What kind of country do you think you live in?

Apparently the Messiah is coming since the world is going to end in 2012 anyway.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Compared to McCain Obama was pretty clearly the anti-war candidate.

Not really, no. Obama cannot be described as anything other than pro-war, and that's putting it mildly.

Er, yes, yes he was. Of the two candidates, Obama was the more anti-war of the two, as he didn't advocate bombing Iran, staying in Iraq and Afghanistant indefinitely, or threatening Russia. In what way was McCain the more anti-war candidate?

The McBama twins were equally pro-war, both answering to the same war lobby. Obama was never an anti-war candidate, despite the many millions of idiots who voted for him believing this to be the case.

And here we are today, still in Iraq, and escalating in Afghanistan. Our foreign policy is virtually unchanged.

When Georgia invaded Russia and Russia counter-invaded, McCain called for Russia to be kicked out of the G8, compared it to Iraq invading Kuwait, and generally sabre-rattled like a crazy person. Obama's response was much more level-headed.

John McCain joked about bombing Iran, and advocated for US intervention in Iran in the summer of 2009. Obama did not intervene or bomb Iran.

John McCain said that he would have no problem with staying in Iraq for 100 years. US forces in Iraq, under Obama's orders, are on track to have pulled out of the country by the end of next year.

Not to mention Obama's renewed outreach to our allies and embrace of diplomacy, something rejected by the Bush-McCain foreign policy team.

So McCain is honest while Obama is a liar. What's your point?

[Oakvale]

Is it really so hard to accept that withdrawing troops from Iraq (by 2011 IIRC) is anti-war?

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Is it really so hard to accept that withdrawing troops from Iraq (by 2011 IIRC) is anti-war?

Is it really so hard to accept that Obama is not anti-war?

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

My mother, a lifelong Republican who adored Ronald Reagan and both George Bushes, voted for Barack Obama in the 2008 election. She tells me the other day, "So, the President keeps blaming Bush for the problems...but too much time has passed and it's on him. I don't regret voting for him, but I think he's a one term President."

She then says, to my surprise...

"I think Mitt Romney will defeat Obama."

If your mom is hot, this would help me decide whether to believe it or not. 

[Oakvale]

Is it really so hard to accept that withdrawing troops from Iraq (by 2011 IIRC) is anti-war?

Is it really so hard to accept that Obama is not anti-war?

Anti-war in general? Sure, he's not a pacifist - nor should he be. He's opposed to a specific war. *shrug*

[rebeltarian]

If your mom is hot, this would help me decide whether to believe it or not. 

Is it just me, or do hot older women tend to be politically liberal while the non-hot ones skew conservative?  I mean, it's like all these hot milfs I meet in the city are progressive Democrats, then I go out into the 'burbs and it's all fat fugly Republican women driving around in SUVs and shopping at Target.  Interestingly, the trend is inverted amongst younger females:  young plain/fugly women are usually angry liberals with Hillary bumper stickers on their cars whereas the really hot chicks are all conservatives and libertarians.  Go figure.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Is it really so hard to accept that withdrawing troops from Iraq (by 2011 IIRC) is anti-war?

Is it really so hard to accept that Obama is not anti-war?

Anti-war in general? Sure, he's not a pacifist - nor should he be. He's opposed to a specific war. *shrug*

Obama claimed to be against one specific war because he would rather have focused American destructive power elsewhere, and he only did that because he was merely a state senator representing a more anti-Bush constituency. His true pro-war views have been on display since the moment he entered the national spotlight. Obama is a warmonger.

[benevolent democracy]

whoever runs in 2012, dear god, I hope they come out of left field with some top notch solutions, and more... no ulterior motives. Please send us a true American, free of ties, bonds, back door deals, and full of the working mans common sense.

What kind of country do you think you live in?

I think I live in a country where people have the freedom to be drug addicts, believe that your body type or sex determines your political affiliation, think that law is based on money, and then much later: clean their act up and become informed citizens having faced the alternative by living that lifestyle.

I think I live in a country where someone with the backbone of Castro, the intellect of Nome Chomsky, and the passion of George Washington could pop up as a great candidate, run, get elected, and do it without bloodshed.

I think I live in a country where that same candidate would get smeared because of his past and possibly shot because he refused bribery during the 2012 election.

I think I live in a young country which is still learning from its mistakes...

[benevolent democracy]

Is it really so hard to accept that withdrawing troops from Iraq (by 2011 IIRC) is anti-war?

Is it really so hard to accept that Obama is not anti-war?

Anti-war in general? Sure, he's not a pacifist - nor should he be. He's opposed to a specific war. *shrug*

Obama claimed to be against one specific war because he would rather have focused American destructive power elsewhere, and he only did that because he was merely a state senator representing a more anti-Bush constituency. His true pro-war views have been on display since the moment he entered the national spotlight. Obama is a warmonger.

Obama is as much a warmonger as Bush is a peacemaker with no special interests.

Obama and the 3200-healthcare bill are a bit too nutty for my taste. simple supply/demand/ there are 5280 hospitals, only 20% of them are rated trauma 1, there are 320 million Americans will get healthcare, 20% of them will waste the systems time, 8% are drug addicts looking for free pills. the other 72% will have to wait for a gang shooting victim before their heart attack is treated. We need healthcare reform, but not the #3200 version... Canada works because of the small population. (and thats enough on that i think...)

1- this war, like a bad flu, will of course run its course. its too late to argue about weather its necessary or not, and both the house and the senate proved they grasp this concept yesterday from 2pm to 8pm.
2- when it is finally over, 500 billion devoted back to healthcare and 500 billion devoted back to education will be the one time in history that throwing money at a problem will fix it.

[Lief 🗽]

Okay Libertas. You're right and we're all deluded sheeple.

[Franzl]

Okay Libertas. You're right and we're all deluded sheeple.

Glad you've finally realized that.

[Oakvale]

whoever runs in 2012, dear god, I hope they come out of left field with some top notch solutions, and more... no ulterior motives. Please send us a true American, free of ties, bonds, back door deals, and full of the working mans common sense.

What kind of country do you think you live in?

I think I live in a country where people have the freedom to be drug addicts, believe that your body type or sex determines your political affiliation, think that law is based on money, and then much later: clean their act up and become informed citizens having faced the alternative by living that lifestyle.

I think I live in a country where someone with the backbone of Castro, the intellect of Nome Chomsky, and the passion of George Washington could pop up as a great candidate, run, get elected, and do it without bloodshed.

I think I live in a country where that same candidate would get smeared because of his past and possibly shot because he refused bribery during the 2012 election.

I think I live in a young country which is still learning from its mistakes...

That's like, totally deep, man.

[Oakvale]

Okay Libertas. You're right and we're all deluded sheeple.

My kingdom for a libertarian who isn't smug and condescending.

Mechaman and PiT seen like fairly nice guys, I guess.