Which country is more worrying?

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

* includes:
Another country in europe
I can't decide between the two
They should merge like old times


refers to the move to the right for both.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Er... clearly Hungary. Obviously the FPÖ continuing to poll well is less than ideal, but they aren't actually in government with an overwhelming majority and changing the constitution (to say nothing of other stuff). And Hungary also has Jobbik.

[Franzl]

Is this a serious question?

[Leftbehind]

I think the results speak for themselves.

[republicanism]

Easily Hungary of course.

One could make a point though that it is particularly disturbing when a country like Austria, which is really rich, has a uber-stable political system and has been a democracy for more than 60 years now, gives 20-25% to the far right in election after election.

The base of democratic culture should be stronger in Austria, the strength of the fascists is less explainable there.

[minionofmidas]

There is a good historical explanation in Austria for that, though.

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

I say Austria.

Austria WAS under Hitler, and yet, the far-right is doing so well. Imagine if an FPO like party was polling at 25% in Germany.

[Franzl]

I say Austria.

Austria WAS under Hitler, and yet, the far-right is doing so well. Imagine if an FPO like party was polling at 25% in Germany.

Me thinks you're not too familiar with Europe. Nothing like what's going on in Hungary will be happening anytime soon in Austria...or especially Germany.

[republicanism]

There is a good historical explanation in Austria for that, though.

Yeah.
But it is still weird to see how persistent and vital Austrian (Post)Nazism is. Think of a person like Barbara Rosenkranz, it is almost surreal. Such a culture shouldn't exist anymore.

A nationalist authoritarian regime in a transformed former real socialist state fits much 'better' in our times, and needs less explanation. Just my point of view of course.

[afleitch]

Easily Hungary. And the EU's inaction is making me angrier and more Eurosceptic than any of the recent financial issues have done.

[Tender Branson]

Currently definitely Hungary. Unlike Hungary, Austria currently doesn't have a tendency to elect a quasi-fascist dictatorial party that rules the country with an absolute (or even 2/3 ?) majority. It also has a dynamic economy with (when we put in perspective with other EU countries) low unemployment and fiscal data that is now getting better. Hungary, unlike Austria, also has a considerable freedom of press deficit. And it also has a real Far-Right that is actively going against minorities such as Romas by establishing "guards" (such groups would be banned right away in Austria). While in Austria the Far Right consists currently of about 50-75% of people who are actually no Nazis, but people who hate the government policies and would leave these parties soon after they would be elected. The true core of Right-Wingers are the 15% that Rosenkranz got, but the other 85% make Austria a much better organized and efficient place than Hungary. We could argue about this question though if the question read " Which country was more worrying in the 1920/1930/1940s ?"

[Antonio the Sixth]

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Beautiful. I can't believe it's true.

[Boris]

Austria isn't worrying at all. It's definitely more utopic (if that's a word) than Canada.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Utopian, and how is Austria utopian?

[redcommander]

On the basis of current governments, it is Hungary at the moment. I write in the Netherlands for an upcoming trouble though since Wilders is likely to be the next PM.

[dead0man]

What are we worried about?  Them invading Italy or something?  If it's just sh**tty internal politics, I'd guess Belarus is quite a bit worse.  If it's external threats, I'd guess one of them Balkan countries is more likely to mess with their neighbors than either option in the poll. 

What exactly are we worrying about?

[afleitch]

What are we worried about?  Them invading Italy or something?  If it's just sh**tty internal politics, I'd guess Belarus is quite a bit worse.  If it's external threats, I'd guess one of them Balkan countries is more likely to mess with their neighbors than either option in the poll. 

What exactly are we worrying about?

I actually agree with you on that when it comes to Austria. No idea why it's in the poll. Hungary on the other hand is alarming for a nation that is part of the EU.

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I had always thought Austria was "civilized", while I had been aware that Hungary had problems.

[Franzl]

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I had always thought Austria was "civilized", while I had been aware that Hungary had problems.

I really think you should stop digging...

[Boris]

Utopian, and how is Austria utopian?

low unemployment, low crime, livable cities, and an aesthetically pleasing landscape. Who cares if a troll party (that is viewed unfavorably by most Austrians) wins a quarter of the vote?

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Utopian, and how is Austria utopian?

low unemployment, low crime, livable cities, and an aesthetically pleasing landscape. Who cares if a troll party (that is viewed unfavorably by most Austrians) wins a quarter of the vote?

That makes it nice, not 'utopian'. To be utopian I should think it would have to be in some way uniquely or at least superlatively all of those things.

[Boris]

My original statement was a comparative one with Canada, good sir. Although both countries are very nice places to live, OECD statistic comparisons aside.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

My original statement was a comparative one with Canada, good sir. Although both countries are very nice places to live, OECD statistic comparisons aside.

Ah. Sensible enough, though I personally prefer some of Canada's intangibles.