Racist clubs at universities

[dazzleman]

There is already a racist white boy organization at many American universities: Sigma Chi

Sigma Chi is racist?  I know guys who were in Sigma Chi and never thought of it that way.  As far as I know, it's just a fraternity.

[Storebought]

There is already a racist white boy organization at many American universities: Sigma Chi

Sigma Chi is racist?  I know guys who were in Sigma Chi and never thought of it that way.  As far as I know, it's just a fraternity.

In the South, all fraternities are profoundly racially segregated. Sigma Chi was just the most obnoxious example that was on the top of my head. Sororities are slightly more inclined to rush their token black/Asian girl every 4 or 5 years.

[Bandit3 the Worker]

Seriously, it isn't even hard to anger these morons.

You actually think anyone else wouldn't have been angered by the same type of comments?

[danwxman]

At my university, we have many extremely racist clubs, such as the Black Business Club, the Mandarin Students Association, the Chinese Students Association, the African Students Association, and so forth.

As a result of this, I have decided to start my own club.  I'm going to call it the White Boys Club.  However, it seems people are already objecting because this is a "racist" club.  How is my club racist?  I'm going to let everyone join, regardless, of race, ethnicity, or religion, and the focus will be the accomplishments of the white man over the past thousands of years.

I really don't get it.

The people that join that club will probably be homophobic.

[AuH2O]

There is already a racist white boy organization at many American universities: Sigma Chi

Sigma Chi is racist?  I know guys who were in Sigma Chi and never thought of it that way.  As far as I know, it's just a fraternity.

In the South, all fraternities are profoundly racially segregated. Sigma Chi was just the most obnoxious example that was on the top of my head. Sororities are slightly more inclined to rush their token black/Asian girl every 4 or 5 years.

KA is much, much, much more white than Sig Chi, which admittedly is mostly white.

I refuse to use the term "African-American." As far as I'm concerned, it's linguistic warfare... well, I will use it on the condition of consistency; if I am referred to as European-American, then it's only fair to respond in kind.

The corresponding term to "caucasian," by the way, is "negro," so I don't like caucasian either.

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There is already a racist white boy organization at many American universities: Sigma Chi

Sigma Chi is racist?  I know guys who were in Sigma Chi and never thought of it that way.  As far as I know, it's just a fraternity.

In the South, all fraternities are profoundly racially segregated. Sigma Chi was just the most obnoxious example that was on the top of my head. Sororities are slightly more inclined to rush their token black/Asian girl every 4 or 5 years.

KA is much, much, much more white than Sig Chi, which admittedly is mostly white.

I refuse to use the term "African-American." As far as I'm concerned, it's linguistic warfare... well, I will use it on the condition of consistency; if I am referred to as European-American, then it's only fair to respond in kind.

The corresponding term to "caucasian," by the way, is "negro," so I don't like caucasian either.

I prefer the term colored or black.

[angus]

At my university, we have many extremely racist clubs, such as the Black Business Club, the Mandarin Students Association, the Chinese Students Association, the African Students Association, and so forth.

Of course they're racist clubs.  The reason they don't use the word "racist" in their description is that it has become such an emotionally charged term.  In fact, because one must be of a certain race to join them, they are racist clubs.  But a rose by any other name would smell just as sweet, so it may not matter whether we label them racist.  More is important is to recognize that they are, by definition, racist organizations.  Of course, whether or not there's anything fundamentally wrong, or misguided, or hurtful, about such racist clubs is an entirely different matter.  And examining that matter, I'd suggest that they have advantages to the members who join them.  Or at least perceived advantages.  If not, no one would join them!  You are welcome to make a Whites Club if you like.  And like any other club, people would only join it if the perceived advantages outweigh the perceived disadvantages.  My guess is that white folk would feel no particular advantages--beyond those they may already feel just by being white--in joining your club.  That is to say, fairly or unfairly, you might attract an unsavory lot with a name like Whites Club, whereas a Blacks Club or Asians Club might only attract a small percentage of that type of unsavory crowd. 

Get yourself down to Orange County, California sometime.  There’s no shortage of White Clubs there.  (You’ll find that white solidarity finds a niche in about a half dozen cities nationwide, and the O.C. certainly has no original claim on the movement, but for whatever reason that area is a particularly striking example of white solidarity run amok.)  Take a long hard look at the folks in those clubs.  See the swastikas tattooed onto their freshly shaved heads.  See the magnificent O.C.C. outerwear, replete with flames and iron crosses.  See the now-infamous “88” brand clothing on proud display at the pop clothiers.  Think:  1936 Olympics, when a head of state abjectly refused to pin a medal on Olympian Jesse Owens for no other reason than:  well, he’s black, and there’s no way an inferior black man can fairly defeat white runners, so the race must not have been on the up-and-up.  Think these people are thinking like you?  Think again.  I can’t go inside your head, but I imagine that all you’re looking for is egalitarianism by way of putting a stop to what amounts to hypocrisy, and if a bit of white solidarity is needed to help meet that end, then so be it.  But the problem, as any university administrator will confirm, is that Black clubs, Asian Clubs, and the like, will attract healthy cross-sections from those communities:  some serious students who feel they can benefit, and some assholes just looking for an excuse to fight.  But White Clubs are notorious for attracting only the basest sort.  Fair?  no.  Reality?  yes.

Look, the PC days of the 90s are over, as evidenced by the popularity of reactionary TV programming like South Park, the Family Guy, and The Man Show.  And polling data shows temporally less and less public support for race-based hiring quotas, and affirmative action in general.  And the Supreme Court is chipping away, slowly but surely, at the anti-egalitarian programs of the Guilt-peddlers.  But organizing such White Clubs may have the opposite effect.  Such reactionary measures may very well set the movement back several decades.  I’m talking about the general movement that President Bush eloquently describes as overcoming of the “soft bigotry of low expectations.”  Just be patient, Richius.  I’m quite sure things will get better in this regard.  True equality is winning out.  Those who enjoy basking in the warm glow of White Man’s Guilt in order to maintain favorable voting blocs are being exposed for the nuisance-mongers that they are.  I think that over time those who would throw off externally-imposed and harmful burdens will prevail.

[opebo]

There is already a racist white boy organization at many American universities: Sigma Chi

Sigma Chi is racist?  I know guys who were in Sigma Chi and never thought of it that way.  As far as I know, it's just a fraternity.

In the South, all fraternities are profoundly racially segregated. Sigma Chi was just the most obnoxious example that was on the top of my head. Sororities are slightly more inclined to rush their token black/Asian girl every 4 or 5 years.

Of course, white racists are typically much more threatened by and hateful toward black males than black females.  A black male in a fraternity might imply that some of the sorority girls were exposed to the possibility of having sex with same - every white parent's nightmare. 

However if the white male fraternity members schtup the occasional minority female, it is all in fun - boys will be boys.  Though ideally their racial/sexual  'slumming' should be with an asian girl - the females are fairly acceptable, but asian males would be seen as too geeky for fraternity membership.

[PBrunsel]

This year I tried to join the "Anti-Racism League" at my school, and not to cause trouble. I trully feel we need a colr blind scoiety so I tried to join to attempt to speak out against not just KKK and Nation of Islam racism, but also against Affirmitive Action. The teacher had me dismissed from the club as soon as I uttered two sentences on a speech against Affirmitive Action. I was not too upset though. Everyone in the club was Black Supremecist and anti-White to boot.

[angus]

Everyone in the club was Black Supremecist and anti-White to boot.

My hypothesis about Black Clubs was wrong in that particular case.  However, I am aware of Asian Students' Association as I have attended their meetings back in grad school (I'm not asian, but was generally welcome in their meetings).  I found that a nice pre-selected group of well-educated, well-dressed, intelligent asians was a nice place to shop.  Racist?  for sure.  Advantages to outweigh disadvantages?  probably so, or they would not be attending them, would they.  (And no, they weren't too keen on blacks either, FYI.  The negro is always the odd man out in any otherwise racially segregated crowd.  This isn't fair, but it is a reality.  And it probably explains the militant anti-other tendency of their meetings.  This is a fundamental underlying problem owing to hundreds of years of European-African relations in the americas that will not be fixed by affirmative action.)