Is it possible to vote for Trump in 2024 and be a good person?

[OSR stands with Israel]

The suggestion Trump might declare the Democratic Party a "terrorist organization" is not rooted in reality. I say this as someone who hasn't forgotten him teargassing people for no good reason.

People in 19 and early 20 said the same about the idea he would try to stay in office if he lost the election.

The difference is the electoral count act that existed at the time made it easy for the loser to challenge results and even that now has been made significantly harder .

What your saying actually has no basis in reality

[Vice President Christian Man]

Of course

[T'Chenka]

Only if you're extremely unintelligent and/or ignorant. I would also carve out exceptions for people that live in New York, California, or any state guaranteed to be won by Biden.

There's no other good excuse IMO. Even staunch right wingers should acknowledge how many things Trump and the MAGA Republicans support that are not conservative, and how dangerous to the future of American democracy Trump has become.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

To be fair, according to the forum's definition, i don't think it is possible to vote for Biden in 2024 and be a good person either.

Obv answer is yes

[Santander]

The suggestion Trump might declare the Democratic Party a "terrorist organization" is not rooted in reality. I say this as someone who hasn't forgotten him teargassing people for no good reason.

People in 19 and early 20 said the same about the idea he would try to stay in office if he lost the election.

Unfortunately, the US stupidly has no statute to designate domestic organizations as terrorist organizations.

[Sol]

Yes of course. People believe foolish things all the time; this is doubtless true of myself! It's a moral failing, not a mortal sin; you can still be a good person in thousands of more meaningful ways than one or even three bad votes.

Now the politicians and oligarchs who are enabling him? LOLNO.

[VBM]

I'd be interested in hearing an explanation as to how someone could support a fascist dictatorship and still be a good person.

Not everyone who supports Trump supports a fascist dictatorship and Trump winning wont turn us into one either.

There is no rational basis for assuming otherwise on either front.

Explain how Trump can turn the US into a dictatorship when:

- Elections are managed at a state level not a federal one

- the Electoral Count Reform act pretty much makes it impossible for congress to throw out Electoral votes

- The US Constitution unlike Hungary is almost impossible to change

- There are midterms every two years


At worst Trump's Presidency will be how Netanyahu's premiership from from December 2022- September 2023 was like

[Ferguson97]

Explain how Trump can turn the US into a dictatorship when:

- Elections are managed at a state level not a federal one

- the Electoral Count Reform act pretty much makes it impossible for congress to throw out Electoral votes

- The US Constitution unlike Hungary is almost impossible to change

- There are midterms every two years

OSR as a police dispatcher:

OSR: "911, what's your emergency?"

Caller: "Help! Someone's trying to rob the bank!"

OSR: "What? That's ridiculous. Explain how someone could be robbing the bank when armed robbery is illegal."

[OSR stands with Israel]

Explain how Trump can turn the US into a dictatorship when:

- Elections are managed at a state level not a federal one

- the Electoral Count Reform act pretty much makes it impossible for congress to throw out Electoral votes

- The US Constitution unlike Hungary is almost impossible to change

- There are midterms every two years

OSR as a police dispatcher:

OSR: "911, what's your emergency?"

Caller: "Help! Someone's trying to rob the bank!"

OSR: "What? That's ridiculous. Explain how someone could be robbing the bank when armed robbery is illegal."

Except I mentioned the stopping mechanism to any potential dictatorship.

[Trans Rights Are Human Rights]

OSR as a police dispatcher:

OSR: "911, what's your emergency?"

Caller: "Help! Someone's trying to rob the bank!"

OSR: "What? That's ridiculous. Explain how someone could be robbing the bank when armed robbery is illegal."

[Ferguson97]

Except I mentioned the stopping mechanism to any potential dictatorship.

No, you didn’t.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Except I mentioned the stopping mechanism to any potential dictatorship.

No, you didn’t.

To turn a democracy into a dictatorship one of 3 things needs to happen:

1. Change the Constitution. This is the straight forward way to do so but its pretty much impossible to change it here though partisan means

2. Rig Elections which again the federal government does not have here. Elections are run by the states not the federal government and the electoral count reform act pretty much made it impossible for congress to throw out electoral votes. Really you need the courts to go along with you here and SCOTUS has shown time and time again that they would not

3. Have the leadership of the military and intelligence agencies on your side. Trump is not even close to having this and its simply impossible to make both completely loyal in just 2 years (which is when the midterms would be).

[Thank you for being a friend...]

Of course it is.  There are millions of really great people out there who will vote for any of the presidential candidates... who you fill in the dots next to in the voting booth doesn't have anything to do with your kindness, your generosity, your love of family and friends --- and honestly I bet you could find in a random group of people someone who has completely different political ideas than you who you absolutely think is a terrific person.

That would actually make a good YouTube video - put a bunch of passionate Biden/Trump voters in a room with others and see how they interact, and show the surprised looks on their faces when they find out the people they liked the most in the room are completely partisans for the other side.

[7,052,770]

Trump was already denying the 2020 election results on Election Night, spent months insisting that he had won when he conclusively lost and was repeatedly told this by his advisors. He filed dozens of lawsuits, and those lawsuits weren't seeking some kind of recount or even a revote, just for the courts to throw out the results and declare him the winner.

When that failed, he told his supporters another lie, that Mike Pence could unilaterally overturn the results and declare Trump the winner, but was refusing to do it. He then directed them to go to the Capitol and "fight like Hell" to make it happen. Believing they were following his direct instructions, a mob of thousands of his supporters entered the Capitol with the intention of violently forcing Congress to declare Trump the winner. It is often glossed over how close we came to having a tragedy that day, and without the heroic actions of Eugene Goodman, it's likely many members of Congress would have been murdered. Even after this coup was averted, Trump continues to tell his supporters he won, and he has even promised to pardon and free the terrorists who stormed the Capitol.

So no, I'm not going to casually shrug off the possibility of Trump winning again with "well, we have checks and balances in place," and while I don't know if 100% of his supporters are "bad people," I do that his supporters (100% of them) don't have the same "American" values that I used to think we basically all have. It's a real shock to the system to learn that millions of Americans don't value our democratic process (what I consider the very essence of being "American") in the way we thought they did.

[Agonized-Statism]

I think so. I too was a misguided, albeit reluctant, Trump supporter in 2016. I'd lost my home in the recession and lived a precarious and unstable life since then, I'd watched Obama fail utterly, and I felt a lot of pressure to meet familial and societal expectations of me as a man that I couldn't meet in a changing and unequal world. I was alienated, and more people feel that way than ever now. For young men of color especially, we feel the pressure from all sides. I get it.

Doesn't make it right, of course. And unless you're petite bourgeoise, he won't do anything for your material interests either. Ideally, Trump supporters could be reached out to, but it's such a cult at this point that I don't know if that's possible. They'll just mutter something about the constitution or wokeness or whatever and shut down the conversation.

[MarkD]

Yes. I know some people who will and they are good people (such as my brother).