Petition to Recall Pacific Councilors Seatown and FuzzyBigFoot

[Adam Griffin]

First of all, there's a few people. Secondly, we want good legislatures that are active.

Obviously legislatures should be 'active' and 'good'. I also like freedom, family and fast cars. My point is that there are very few (if any) people who aren't already in elected office in the region who would be willing to run. Do you have any particular names in mind of these few people? If not, then how do two vacancies in a 5-member legislature make it a 'good' legislature? My point is that you are not going to make the legislature good or active by purging two of its members when you can't find people to replace them with after the fact. That and I can't imagine anybody wanting to run if they're constantly under threat of recall (because when one side initiates it, you can bet that the other will fire back).

I know that we're probably going to be recalled for this, I also know that there are candidates, right now I see this as you saying the Pacific will not be active so keep the two very inactive people, which I don't think you're trying to say, but that's how it came across. Next, no matter what there will be candidates. People will step up and help lead the Pacific into a new era of activity and progress. A lot of people believe in this region, whether it is Solopop, Spamage, Superique, Torie, Tyrion, PJ, or me; the Pacific is going to change, and change for the better.

Basically, I'm saying that I don't think any of those people you listed will run for regional office in the immediate future and that the ones who are active within Atlasia would probably have higher aspirations than Pacific Council (Spamage & Superique). Poor Solopop got recalled in the first round of inactivity/recalls back in May and that was unfortunate, however. I think you'll either end up with 2 vacant seats if the two recalled individuals decide not to run, or they'll be re-elected because all 5 seats will ultimately be recalled and that makes it much easier for NM-AM to win 3-4 seats.

[GAworth]

I agree with AG, by doing this, y'all will probably get recalled too.

[Maxwell]

I've been saying this for a while. The Pacific needs to reduce the number of government offices. It's time for a three member legislature if the Pacific is going to work at at least semi-function levels. It'll be slightly more competitive, more of a chance for actives to beat inactives, and ect. ect. It's not a permanent solution, but there needs to be that significant change. I know that the Wolfentoadstitution has stifiled any real constitutional change, but it's time!

[PJ]

I've been saying this for a while. The Pacific needs to reduce the number of government offices. It's time for a three member legislature if the Pacific is going to work at at least semi-function levels. It'll be slightly more competitive, more of a chance for actives to beat inactives, and ect. ect. It's not a permanent solution, but there needs to be that significant change. I know that the Wolfentoadstitution has stifiled any real constitutional change, but it's time!

I've actually been discussing this with some other councillors.

[Adam Griffin]

I've been saying this for a while. The Pacific needs to reduce the number of government offices. It's time for a three member legislature if the Pacific is going to work at at least semi-function levels. It'll be slightly more competitive, more of a chance for actives to beat inactives, and ect. ect. It's not a permanent solution, but there needs to be that significant change. I know that the Wolfentoadstitution has stifiled any real constitutional change, but it's time!

I generally agree with the sentiment, but let me disagree on one point. It's true that the Pacific Council has too many offices. A reduction in the number of Councillors, however, will not make elections more competitive: it will do the opposite.

Let's say there are 3 seats. In a standard 3-seat, 3-candidate election (or any organized voting effort, even if there are more than 3 candidates), one "faction" or side only needs 51% of first preferences in order to win 2 seats (67%) of the seats. Currently, 51% of first preferences will be most likely to get you 60% of the seats. This would actually marginalize smaller parties and factions, while giving greater influence to whoever the ruling coalition/constituency would be a the moment (which is NM-AM).

[Maxwell]

I've been saying this for a while. The Pacific needs to reduce the number of government offices. It's time for a three member legislature if the Pacific is going to work at at least semi-function levels. It'll be slightly more competitive, more of a chance for actives to beat inactives, and ect. ect. It's not a permanent solution, but there needs to be that significant change. I know that the Wolfentoadstitution has stifiled any real constitutional change, but it's time!

I generally agree with the sentiment, but let me disagree on one point. It's true that the Pacific Council has too many offices. A reduction in the number of Councillors, however, will not make elections more competitive: it will do the opposite.

Let's say there are 3 seats. In a standard 3-seat, 3-candidate election (or any organized voting effort, even if there are more than 3 candidates), one "faction" or side only needs 51% of first preferences in order to win 2 seats (67%) of the seats. Currently, 51% of first preferences will be most likely to get you 60% of the seats. This would actually marginalize smaller parties and factions, while giving greater influence to whoever the ruling coalition/constituency would be a the moment (which is NM-AM).

That's actually a good point. However, with Pacific being more of a turnout game than anything else, this would probably shift from election to election, which is a good thing. this is speaking in ideals, of course.

[Fritz]

Lets just reduce the number of regions.

[Flake]

Lets just reduce the number of regions.

[Adam Griffin]

Lets just reduce the number of regions.

[Maxwell]

I don't think that's an area of disagreement in this thread. Obviously we need a careful process, but yes, I think a reduction in regions would be a healthy change in the game.

[Gass3268]

Lets just reduce the number of regions.

[GAworth]

Lets just reduce the number of regions.

[DemPGH]

Tyron and Jake Tiver and PJ, I support this, but my reading of it is that you need the percentage you mentioned of the people who last voted in a regular election. PM Napoleon and see who all you can get. I'm not sure if that's me or not, but I support it and I've signed off on it.

Now I want to make a statement. Some of you are awfully naive, I think. Do you think that contracting to three regions will make these jerks go away? I doubt it. That was my initial hope, but I don't really see it, because many of you will just keep voting for them. Adam Griffin's intentions, I think, are noble, and he's presented a lot of information. But that's not what the NM is up to - all they want to do is shut down these regions. It's their stated goal, so if we go to three, some damn way or another they'll end up on, and they'll go inactive or pull something like "Rimjob." They're trolls, and it's their purpose for being here. So do what you want to do.

When I leave the federal government I wouldn't mind getting involved in the Pacific, because I've helped it get back on its feet a number of times now, and I would like to take it under my wing as a project. Why? It would be fun to get it functioning. But I don't know now, really. When people are bent on destroying it and people keep voting for them, it wouldn't be fun.

[President Tyrion]

Tyron and Jake Tiver and PJ, I support this, but my reading of it is that you need the percentage you mentioned of the people who last voted in a regular election. PM Napoleon and see who all you can get. I'm not sure if that's me or not, but I support it and I've signed off on it.

Now I want to make a statement. Some of you are awfully naive, I think. Do you think that contracting to three regions will make these jerks go away? I doubt it. That was my initial hope, but I don't really see it, because many of you will just keep voting for them. Adam Griffin's intentions, I think, are noble, and he's presented a lot of information. But that's not what the NM is up to - all they want to do is shut down these regions. It's their stated goal, so if we go to three, some damn way or another they'll end up on, and they'll go inactive or pull something like "Rimjob." They're trolls, and it's their purpose for being here. So do what you want to do.

When I leave the federal government I wouldn't mind getting involved in the Pacific, because I've helped it get back on its feet a number of times now, and I would like to take it under my wing as a project. Why? It would be fun to get it functioning. But I don't know now, really. When people are bent on destroying it and people keep voting for them, it wouldn't be fun.

Trust me, we could use you in the Pacific, really in any situation. It doesn't matter if the region is in turmoil or not; you'd be great.

[sentinel]

I oppose this petition too. Get it together Pacific.

[Flake]

Tyron and Jake Tiver and PJ, I support this, but my reading of it is that you need the percentage you mentioned of the people who last voted in a regular election. PM Napoleon and see who all you can get. I'm not sure if that's me or not, but I support it and I've signed off on it.

Now I want to make a statement. Some of you are awfully naive, I think. Do you think that contracting to three regions will make these jerks go away? I doubt it. That was my initial hope, but I don't really see it, because many of you will just keep voting for them. Adam Griffin's intentions, I think, are noble, and he's presented a lot of information. But that's not what the NM is up to - all they want to do is shut down these regions. It's their stated goal, so if we go to three, some damn way or another they'll end up on, and they'll go inactive or pull something like "Rimjob." They're trolls, and it's their purpose for being here. So do what you want to do.

When I leave the federal government I wouldn't mind getting involved in the Pacific, because I've helped it get back on its feet a number of times now, and I would like to take it under my wing as a project. Why? It would be fun to get it functioning. But I don't know now, really. When people are bent on destroying it and people keep voting for them, it wouldn't be fun.

Trust me, we could use you in the Pacific, really in any situation. It doesn't matter if the region is in turmoil or not; you'd be great.

[PJ]

I support the reduction of regions, but let's face it. That is a long term goal that will take a large amount of time to accomplish. This is something we can do now.

[President Tyrion]

This petition has 0 of the 3 signatures it requires to trigger a recall, currently. PJ, Flo, and DemPGH were did not vote in the June Council Election.

Therefore, I will not legitimize this petition at this time.

[Spamage]

X- Spamage

[PJ]

Bump

[Enderman]

Did I sign this yet? If not . . .

X Jack F Enderman

[President Tyrion]

Did I sign this yet? If not . . .

X Jack F Enderman

Well, you're not a current member of the Pacific, nor did you vote in the Pacific in June, so I'm pretty sure your signature will not count toward the total.