John Kasich: The Establishment Strikes Back

[Kingpoleon]

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/john-kasich-beltway-republicans-214365

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Brilliant. Strike Jeb where it hurts and start running up old colleagues.

[NHI]

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/john-kasich-beltway-republicans-214365

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Brilliant. Strike Jeb where it hurts and start running up old colleagues.

Yes!

[Blair]

The article pretty much says how Kasich has bombed since his small rise

[Angel of Death]

I hate to say it, but:

[dudeabides]

I knew from day one eventually, people would realize what I realized. That John Kasich is a competent Governor, but he's not presidential material. If the establishment wants to go with another boring, middle-aged white guy who has a record of only hiring other boring, middle-aged white guys, and who talks in Washington talk half the time, they have John Kasich. The thing that is interesting is that I don't know if expanding medicaid under Obamacare is even popular at the country club. What is Kasich's campaign really about? We've heard about his record, we've also heard the others talk about their records. But what does John Kasich stand for, other than balanced budgets and expanding medicaid? Where does he stand out from the crowd? He doesn't, that is the reality. He's a better Governor than Pataki, Christie, and Huckabee. He was more effective in congress than Cruz, Paul, and Rubio, but he also served in an era where the President only broke the law in his personal life, not in his official capacity as President.

[Blair]

I knew from day one eventually, people would realize what I realized. That John Kasich is a competent Governor, but he's not presidential material. If the establishment wants to go with another boring, middle-aged white guy who has a record of only hiring other boring, middle-aged white guys, and who talks in Washington talk half the time, they have John Kasich. The thing that is interesting is that I don't know if expanding medicaid under Obamacare is even popular at the country club. What is Kasich's campaign really about? We've heard about his record, we've also heard the others talk about their records. But what does John Kasich stand for, other than balanced budgets and expanding medicaid? Where does he stand out from the crowd? He doesn't, that is the reality. He's a better Governor than Pataki, Christie, and Huckabee. He was more effective in congress than Cruz, Paul, and Rubio, but he also served in an era where the President only broke the law in his personal life, not in his official capacity as President.

God forbid the republicans in the country may not support giving poor people access to healthcare, how will we live?

All Jeb Bush stands for is stand your ground and a property bubble

[Negusa Nagast 🚀]

With any luck, he'll gain enough of Jeb's faltering numbers to keep the early states split with Rube, allowing Trump to win the first few contests and snowball from there.

[dudeabides]

I knew from day one eventually, people would realize what I realized. That John Kasich is a competent Governor, but he's not presidential material. If the establishment wants to go with another boring, middle-aged white guy who has a record of only hiring other boring, middle-aged white guys, and who talks in Washington talk half the time, they have John Kasich. The thing that is interesting is that I don't know if expanding medicaid under Obamacare is even popular at the country club. What is Kasich's campaign really about? We've heard about his record, we've also heard the others talk about their records. But what does John Kasich stand for, other than balanced budgets and expanding medicaid? Where does he stand out from the crowd? He doesn't, that is the reality. He's a better Governor than Pataki, Christie, and Huckabee. He was more effective in congress than Cruz, Paul, and Rubio, but he also served in an era where the President only broke the law in his personal life, not in his official capacity as President.

God forbid the republicans in the country may not support giving poor people access to healthcare, how will we live?

All Jeb Bush stands for is stand your ground and a property bubble

I'll address both of these points;

1. I do believe in a safety net. The problem is, the medicaid expansion is a band-aid to the larger problem in the American health care system. We have little competition and high premiums. We have quality care, but for far too many, the cost of that care is out of reach. The medicaid program is fine for those who really need it, but unfortunately many in that system do not receive the same quality care as those in the private insurance market do. Furthermore, this Obamacare insurance monopoly and welfare state expansion scheme has cost Americans wages and has hurt small and medium-sized businesses, as well as working people with it's mandates.  

2. Governor Bush stands for tax reductions, smaller government, immigration reform that respects our sovereignty and economy, higher standards in education, and limited government - his record and agenda prove that. You have this dislike for all the Republican candidates, and that's fine, but most of them do stand for something.

[Blair]

I knew from day one eventually, people would realize what I realized. That John Kasich is a competent Governor, but he's not presidential material. If the establishment wants to go with another boring, middle-aged white guy who has a record of only hiring other boring, middle-aged white guys, and who talks in Washington talk half the time, they have John Kasich. The thing that is interesting is that I don't know if expanding medicaid under Obamacare is even popular at the country club. What is Kasich's campaign really about? We've heard about his record, we've also heard the others talk about their records. But what does John Kasich stand for, other than balanced budgets and expanding medicaid? Where does he stand out from the crowd? He doesn't, that is the reality. He's a better Governor than Pataki, Christie, and Huckabee. He was more effective in congress than Cruz, Paul, and Rubio, but he also served in an era where the President only broke the law in his personal life, not in his official capacity as President.

God forbid the republicans in the country may not support giving poor people access to healthcare, how will we live?

All Jeb Bush stands for is stand your ground and a property bubble

I'll address both of these points;

1. I do believe in a safety net. The problem is, the medicaid expansion is a band-aid to the larger problem in the American health care system. We have little competition and high premiums. We have quality care, but for far too many, the cost of that care is out of reach. The medicaid program is fine for those who really need it, but unfortunately many in that system do not receive the same quality care as those in the private insurance market do. Furthermore, this Obamacare insurance monopoly and welfare state expansion scheme has cost Americans wages and has hurt small and medium-sized businesses, as well as working people with it's mandates.  

2. Governor Bush stands for tax reductions, smaller government, immigration reform that respects our sovereignty and economy, higher standards in education, and limited government - his record and agenda prove that. You have this dislike for all the Republican candidates, and that's fine, but most of them do stand for something.

So you're objection to Medicare is that people don't get private healthcare, when the reason they're on medicare is that they can't afford private healthcare?

And yes, I have a dislike for virtually all republican candidates when they run on political positions that simply defy logic in 98% of the cases

[dudeabides]

I knew from day one eventually, people would realize what I realized. That John Kasich is a competent Governor, but he's not presidential material. If the establishment wants to go with another boring, middle-aged white guy who has a record of only hiring other boring, middle-aged white guys, and who talks in Washington talk half the time, they have John Kasich. The thing that is interesting is that I don't know if expanding medicaid under Obamacare is even popular at the country club. What is Kasich's campaign really about? We've heard about his record, we've also heard the others talk about their records. But what does John Kasich stand for, other than balanced budgets and expanding medicaid? Where does he stand out from the crowd? He doesn't, that is the reality. He's a better Governor than Pataki, Christie, and Huckabee. He was more effective in congress than Cruz, Paul, and Rubio, but he also served in an era where the President only broke the law in his personal life, not in his official capacity as President.

God forbid the republicans in the country may not support giving poor people access to healthcare, how will we live?

All Jeb Bush stands for is stand your ground and a property bubble

I'll address both of these points;

1. I do believe in a safety net. The problem is, the medicaid expansion is a band-aid to the larger problem in the American health care system. We have little competition and high premiums. We have quality care, but for far too many, the cost of that care is out of reach. The medicaid program is fine for those who really need it, but unfortunately many in that system do not receive the same quality care as those in the private insurance market do. Furthermore, this Obamacare insurance monopoly and welfare state expansion scheme has cost Americans wages and has hurt small and medium-sized businesses, as well as working people with it's mandates.  

2. Governor Bush stands for tax reductions, smaller government, immigration reform that respects our sovereignty and economy, higher standards in education, and limited government - his record and agenda prove that. You have this dislike for all the Republican candidates, and that's fine, but most of them do stand for something.

So you're objection to Medicare is that people don't get private healthcare, when the reason they're on medicare is that they can't afford private healthcare?

And yes, I have a dislike for virtually all republican candidates when they run on political positions that simply defy logic in 98% of the cases

If we were to block-grant funding for medicaid and allow state's to make their own decisions regarding the program, I think we'd be a lot better off and I'm not talking about the expansion from Obamacare, I mean no strings attached. Again, my objection to medicare is not it's existence, it's that it doesn't solve the problem of expensive health care caused by over regulation.

I don't believe that freedom defies logic. I don't believe that economic policies that worked in the 1920s and 1980s to replace the failed policies of the 1960s and today defy logic. I don't believe that a foreign policy where we lead, but don't police, the world defies logic. What defies logic is continuing the same policies of the Obama administration.

[Fuzzy Bear]

I knew from day one eventually, people would realize what I realized. That John Kasich is a competent Governor, but he's not presidential material. If the establishment wants to go with another boring, middle-aged white guy who has a record of only hiring other boring, middle-aged white guys, and who talks in Washington talk half the time, they have John Kasich. The thing that is interesting is that I don't know if expanding medicaid under Obamacare is even popular at the country club. What is Kasich's campaign really about? We've heard about his record, we've also heard the others talk about their records. But what does John Kasich stand for, other than balanced budgets and expanding medicaid? Where does he stand out from the crowd? He doesn't, that is the reality. He's a better Governor than Pataki, Christie, and Huckabee. He was more effective in congress than Cruz, Paul, and Rubio, but he also served in an era where the President only broke the law in his personal life, not in his official capacity as President.

God forbid the republicans in the country may not support giving poor people access to healthcare, how will we live?

All Jeb Bush stands for is stand your ground and a property bubble

I'll address both of these points;

1. I do believe in a safety net. The problem is, the medicaid expansion is a band-aid to the larger problem in the American health care system. We have little competition and high premiums. We have quality care, but for far too many, the cost of that care is out of reach. The medicaid program is fine for those who really need it, but unfortunately many in that system do not receive the same quality care as those in the private insurance market do. Furthermore, this Obamacare insurance monopoly and welfare state expansion scheme has cost Americans wages and has hurt small and medium-sized businesses, as well as working people with it's mandates.  

2. Governor Bush stands for tax reductions, smaller government, immigration reform that respects our sovereignty and economy, higher standards in education, and limited government - his record and agenda prove that. You have this dislike for all the Republican candidates, and that's fine, but most of them do stand for something.

You don't believe in a safety net.  You believe in market economics.  If that doesn't work, oh well, but let's still not expand Medicaid.  Let 'em die, die quickly, and die out of the view of the cameras, lesty our candidates go down in the polls, eh?  There are folks in America who will die within this month solely because the help for them that is available is not accessable to them because of lack of money. 

Free marketeers are OK with that.

[Thunderbird is the word]

lol@the Jeb Bush supporter attacking the GOP for supporting a "boring middle aged white guy." Apparently somebody took Bush's claim to be Hispanic literally.

[Donald Trump 2016 !]

I knew from day one eventually, people would realize what I realized. That John Kasich is a competent Governor, but he's not presidential material. If the establishment wants to go with another boring, middle-aged white guy who has a record of only hiring other boring, middle-aged white guys, and who talks in Washington talk half the time, they have John Kasich. The thing that is interesting is that I don't know if expanding medicaid under Obamacare is even popular at the country club. What is Kasich's campaign really about? We've heard about his record, we've also heard the others talk about their records. But what does John Kasich stand for, other than balanced budgets and expanding medicaid? Where does he stand out from the crowd? He doesn't, that is the reality. He's a better Governor than Pataki, Christie, and Huckabee. He was more effective in congress than Cruz, Paul, and Rubio, but he also served in an era where the President only broke the law in his personal life, not in his official capacity as President.

The irony of this statement coming from a Jeb Bush supporter is just.....so cringe worthy.

[dudeabides]

I knew from day one eventually, people would realize what I realized. That John Kasich is a competent Governor, but he's not presidential material. If the establishment wants to go with another boring, middle-aged white guy who has a record of only hiring other boring, middle-aged white guys, and who talks in Washington talk half the time, they have John Kasich. The thing that is interesting is that I don't know if expanding medicaid under Obamacare is even popular at the country club. What is Kasich's campaign really about? We've heard about his record, we've also heard the others talk about their records. But what does John Kasich stand for, other than balanced budgets and expanding medicaid? Where does he stand out from the crowd? He doesn't, that is the reality. He's a better Governor than Pataki, Christie, and Huckabee. He was more effective in congress than Cruz, Paul, and Rubio, but he also served in an era where the President only broke the law in his personal life, not in his official capacity as President.

God forbid the republicans in the country may not support giving poor people access to healthcare, how will we live?

All Jeb Bush stands for is stand your ground and a property bubble

I'll address both of these points;

1. I do believe in a safety net. The problem is, the medicaid expansion is a band-aid to the larger problem in the American health care system. We have little competition and high premiums. We have quality care, but for far too many, the cost of that care is out of reach. The medicaid program is fine for those who really need it, but unfortunately many in that system do not receive the same quality care as those in the private insurance market do. Furthermore, this Obamacare insurance monopoly and welfare state expansion scheme has cost Americans wages and has hurt small and medium-sized businesses, as well as working people with it's mandates.  

2. Governor Bush stands for tax reductions, smaller government, immigration reform that respects our sovereignty and economy, higher standards in education, and limited government - his record and agenda prove that. You have this dislike for all the Republican candidates, and that's fine, but most of them do stand for something.

You don't believe in a safety net.  You believe in market economics.  If that doesn't work, oh well, but let's still not expand Medicaid.  Let 'em die, die quickly, and die out of the view of the cameras, lesty our candidates go down in the polls, eh?  There are folks in America who will die within this month solely because the help for them that is available is not accessable to them because of lack of money. 

Free marketeers are OK with that.

It is not inconsistent to believe in market economics but be okay with a safety net. Anyone who believes there are not going to be any regulations in a market economy is fooling themselves and others. I just believe in far fewer regulations than we have today. Now, as for medicaid, I think it serves a purpose, but again it's a band-aid and the expansion, while accepted by Governors like a block-grant, forced certain conditions on states unlike what a block-grant would look like. It is pure political hogwash to suggest that anyone, other than maybe the most extreme libertarian, wants to let people go without medical care. What I want is a market based health care system that would have more competition and thus lower prices. I'm fine with medicaid, and I'm even more fine with faith based organizations who provide health care to the poor.

The fact of the matter is, folks who are covered by medicaid see poorer health outcomes than those with private insurance, that is just a fact. I reject the idea that we should create a permanent underclass in our society by expanding medicaid. Our goal should be lowering the cost of health care and helping people get private insurance. I would be a lot happier if we made medicaid a voucher program; it would likely save billions and improve health outcomes. So, in reality, those who support the expansion of the welfare state into health care are the ones who are willing to harm the health of Americans, I'm for saving money and saving lives.

I knew from day one eventually, people would realize what I realized. That John Kasich is a competent Governor, but he's not presidential material. If the establishment wants to go with another boring, middle-aged white guy who has a record of only hiring other boring, middle-aged white guys, and who talks in Washington talk half the time, they have John Kasich. The thing that is interesting is that I don't know if expanding medicaid under Obamacare is even popular at the country club. What is Kasich's campaign really about? We've heard about his record, we've also heard the others talk about their records. But what does John Kasich stand for, other than balanced budgets and expanding medicaid? Where does he stand out from the crowd? He doesn't, that is the reality. He's a better Governor than Pataki, Christie, and Huckabee. He was more effective in congress than Cruz, Paul, and Rubio, but he also served in an era where the President only broke the law in his personal life, not in his official capacity as President.

The irony of this statement coming from a Jeb Bush supporter is just.....so cringe worthy.

Jeb Bush speaks Spanish, he had a very diverse cabinet in Florida, he's taken a position on immigration that is pro-immigrant yet pro-law enforcement, and he has studied Latin culture for decades, including marrying a Mexican immigrant. By contrast, John Kasich had a cabinet in which 19 of his top 22 officials were white and middle-aged, he had no minorities.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

The economic policies of the 1920s did not 'work'.

[OSR stands with Israel]

I knew from day one eventually, people would realize what I realized. That John Kasich is a competent Governor, but he's not presidential material. If the establishment wants to go with another boring, middle-aged white guy who has a record of only hiring other boring, middle-aged white guys, and who talks in Washington talk half the time, they have John Kasich. The thing that is interesting is that I don't know if expanding medicaid under Obamacare is even popular at the country club. What is Kasich's campaign really about? We've heard about his record, we've also heard the others talk about their records. But what does John Kasich stand for, other than balanced budgets and expanding medicaid? Where does he stand out from the crowd? He doesn't, that is the reality. He's a better Governor than Pataki, Christie, and Huckabee. He was more effective in congress than Cruz, Paul, and Rubio, but he also served in an era where the President only broke the law in his personal life, not in his official capacity as President.

God forbid the republicans in the country may not support giving poor people access to healthcare, how will we live?

All Jeb Bush stands for is stand your ground and a property bubble

I'll address both of these points;

1. I do believe in a safety net. The problem is, the medicaid expansion is a band-aid to the larger problem in the American health care system. We have little competition and high premiums. We have quality care, but for far too many, the cost of that care is out of reach. The medicaid program is fine for those who really need it, but unfortunately many in that system do not receive the same quality care as those in the private insurance market do. Furthermore, this Obamacare insurance monopoly and welfare state expansion scheme has cost Americans wages and has hurt small and medium-sized businesses, as well as working people with it's mandates.  

2. Governor Bush stands for tax reductions, smaller government, immigration reform that respects our sovereignty and economy, higher standards in education, and limited government - his record and agenda prove that. You have this dislike for all the Republican candidates, and that's fine, but most of them do stand for something.

You don't believe in a safety net.  You believe in market economics.  If that doesn't work, oh well, but let's still not expand Medicaid.  Let 'em die, die quickly, and die out of the view of the cameras, lesty our candidates go down in the polls, eh?  There are folks in America who will die within this month solely because the help for them that is available is not accessable to them because of lack of money. 

Free marketeers are OK with that.

It is not inconsistent to believe in market economics but be okay with a safety net. Anyone who believes there are not going to be any regulations in a market economy is fooling themselves and others. I just believe in far fewer regulations than we have today. Now, as for medicaid, I think it serves a purpose, but again it's a band-aid and the expansion, while accepted by Governors like a block-grant, forced certain conditions on states unlike what a block-grant would look like. It is pure political hogwash to suggest that anyone, other than maybe the most extreme libertarian, wants to let people go without medical care. What I want is a market based health care system that would have more competition and thus lower prices. I'm fine with medicaid, and I'm even more fine with faith based organizations who provide health care to the poor.

The fact of the matter is, folks who are covered by medicaid see poorer health outcomes than those with private insurance, that is just a fact. I reject the idea that we should create a permanent underclass in our society by expanding medicaid. Our goal should be lowering the cost of health care and helping people get private insurance. I would be a lot happier if we made medicaid a voucher program; it would likely save billions and improve health outcomes. So, in reality, those who support the expansion of the welfare state into health care are the ones who are willing to harm the health of Americans, I'm for saving money and saving lives.

I knew from day one eventually, people would realize what I realized. That John Kasich is a competent Governor, but he's not presidential material. If the establishment wants to go with another boring, middle-aged white guy who has a record of only hiring other boring, middle-aged white guys, and who talks in Washington talk half the time, they have John Kasich. The thing that is interesting is that I don't know if expanding medicaid under Obamacare is even popular at the country club. What is Kasich's campaign really about? We've heard about his record, we've also heard the others talk about their records. But what does John Kasich stand for, other than balanced budgets and expanding medicaid? Where does he stand out from the crowd? He doesn't, that is the reality. He's a better Governor than Pataki, Christie, and Huckabee. He was more effective in congress than Cruz, Paul, and Rubio, but he also served in an era where the President only broke the law in his personal life, not in his official capacity as President.

The irony of this statement coming from a Jeb Bush supporter is just.....so cringe worthy.

Jeb Bush speaks Spanish, he had a very diverse cabinet in Florida, he's taken a position on immigration that is pro-immigrant yet pro-law enforcement, and he has studied Latin culture for decades, including marrying a Mexican immigrant. By contrast, John Kasich had a cabinet in which 19 of his top 22 officials were white and middle-aged, he had no minorities.

and how does that have anything to do with who would be a better president

[Negusa Nagast 🚀]

The economic policies of the 1920s did not 'work'.

You're telling me a giant economic bubble which exacerbates wealth inequality and results in a global economic catastrophe isn't the way to go?

[Cory]

The economic policies of the 1920s did not 'work'.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that line.

[dudeabides]

I knew from day one eventually, people would realize what I realized. That John Kasich is a competent Governor, but he's not presidential material. If the establishment wants to go with another boring, middle-aged white guy who has a record of only hiring other boring, middle-aged white guys, and who talks in Washington talk half the time, they have John Kasich. The thing that is interesting is that I don't know if expanding medicaid under Obamacare is even popular at the country club. What is Kasich's campaign really about? We've heard about his record, we've also heard the others talk about their records. But what does John Kasich stand for, other than balanced budgets and expanding medicaid? Where does he stand out from the crowd? He doesn't, that is the reality. He's a better Governor than Pataki, Christie, and Huckabee. He was more effective in congress than Cruz, Paul, and Rubio, but he also served in an era where the President only broke the law in his personal life, not in his official capacity as President.

God forbid the republicans in the country may not support giving poor people access to healthcare, how will we live?

All Jeb Bush stands for is stand your ground and a property bubble

I'll address both of these points;

1. I do believe in a safety net. The problem is, the medicaid expansion is a band-aid to the larger problem in the American health care system. We have little competition and high premiums. We have quality care, but for far too many, the cost of that care is out of reach. The medicaid program is fine for those who really need it, but unfortunately many in that system do not receive the same quality care as those in the private insurance market do. Furthermore, this Obamacare insurance monopoly and welfare state expansion scheme has cost Americans wages and has hurt small and medium-sized businesses, as well as working people with it's mandates.  

2. Governor Bush stands for tax reductions, smaller government, immigration reform that respects our sovereignty and economy, higher standards in education, and limited government - his record and agenda prove that. You have this dislike for all the Republican candidates, and that's fine, but most of them do stand for something.

You don't believe in a safety net.  You believe in market economics.  If that doesn't work, oh well, but let's still not expand Medicaid.  Let 'em die, die quickly, and die out of the view of the cameras, lesty our candidates go down in the polls, eh?  There are folks in America who will die within this month solely because the help for them that is available is not accessable to them because of lack of money. 

Free marketeers are OK with that.

It is not inconsistent to believe in market economics but be okay with a safety net. Anyone who believes there are not going to be any regulations in a market economy is fooling themselves and others. I just believe in far fewer regulations than we have today. Now, as for medicaid, I think it serves a purpose, but again it's a band-aid and the expansion, while accepted by Governors like a block-grant, forced certain conditions on states unlike what a block-grant would look like. It is pure political hogwash to suggest that anyone, other than maybe the most extreme libertarian, wants to let people go without medical care. What I want is a market based health care system that would have more competition and thus lower prices. I'm fine with medicaid, and I'm even more fine with faith based organizations who provide health care to the poor.

The fact of the matter is, folks who are covered by medicaid see poorer health outcomes than those with private insurance, that is just a fact. I reject the idea that we should create a permanent underclass in our society by expanding medicaid. Our goal should be lowering the cost of health care and helping people get private insurance. I would be a lot happier if we made medicaid a voucher program; it would likely save billions and improve health outcomes. So, in reality, those who support the expansion of the welfare state into health care are the ones who are willing to harm the health of Americans, I'm for saving money and saving lives.

I knew from day one eventually, people would realize what I realized. That John Kasich is a competent Governor, but he's not presidential material. If the establishment wants to go with another boring, middle-aged white guy who has a record of only hiring other boring, middle-aged white guys, and who talks in Washington talk half the time, they have John Kasich. The thing that is interesting is that I don't know if expanding medicaid under Obamacare is even popular at the country club. What is Kasich's campaign really about? We've heard about his record, we've also heard the others talk about their records. But what does John Kasich stand for, other than balanced budgets and expanding medicaid? Where does he stand out from the crowd? He doesn't, that is the reality. He's a better Governor than Pataki, Christie, and Huckabee. He was more effective in congress than Cruz, Paul, and Rubio, but he also served in an era where the President only broke the law in his personal life, not in his official capacity as President.

The irony of this statement coming from a Jeb Bush supporter is just.....so cringe worthy.

Jeb Bush speaks Spanish, he had a very diverse cabinet in Florida, he's taken a position on immigration that is pro-immigrant yet pro-law enforcement, and he has studied Latin culture for decades, including marrying a Mexican immigrant. By contrast, John Kasich had a cabinet in which 19 of his top 22 officials were white and middle-aged, he had no minorities.

and how does that have anything to do with who would be a better president

It doesn't, it has to do with who can win.

[Cassius]

The economic policies of the 1920s did not 'work'.

Only in the sense that the question of policies 'working' or 'not working' a subjective and unanswerable one.

[ObamaThirdTerm]

I knew from day one eventually, people would realize what I realized. That John Kasich is a competent Governor, but he's not presidential material. If the establishment wants to go with another boring, middle-aged white guy who has a record of only hiring other boring, middle-aged white guys, and who talks in Washington talk half the time, they have John Kasich. The thing that is interesting is that I don't know if expanding medicaid under Obamacare is even popular at the country club. What is Kasich's campaign really about? We've heard about his record, we've also heard the others talk about their records. But what does John Kasich stand for, other than balanced budgets and expanding medicaid? Where does he stand out from the crowd? He doesn't, that is the reality. He's a better Governor than Pataki, Christie, and Huckabee. He was more effective in congress than Cruz, Paul, and Rubio, but he also served in an era where the President only broke the law in his personal life, not in his official capacity as President.

God forbid the republicans in the country may not support giving poor people access to healthcare, how will we live?

All Jeb Bush stands for is stand your ground and a property bubble

I'll address both of these points;

1. I do believe in a safety net. The problem is, the medicaid expansion is a band-aid to the larger problem in the American health care system. We have little competition and high premiums. We have quality care, but for far too many, the cost of that care is out of reach. The medicaid program is fine for those who really need it, but unfortunately many in that system do not receive the same quality care as those in the private insurance market do. Furthermore, this Obamacare insurance monopoly and welfare state expansion scheme has cost Americans wages and has hurt small and medium-sized businesses, as well as working people with it's mandates.  

2. Governor Bush stands for tax reductions, smaller government, immigration reform that respects our sovereignty and economy, higher standards in education, and limited government - his record and agenda prove that. You have this dislike for all the Republican candidates, and that's fine, but most of them do stand for something.

You don't believe in a safety net.  You believe in market economics.  If that doesn't work, oh well, but let's still not expand Medicaid.  Let 'em die, die quickly, and die out of the view of the cameras, lesty our candidates go down in the polls, eh?  There are folks in America who will die within this month solely because the help for them that is available is not accessable to them because of lack of money. 

Free marketeers are OK with that.

It is not inconsistent to believe in market economics but be okay with a safety net. Anyone who believes there are not going to be any regulations in a market economy is fooling themselves and others. I just believe in far fewer regulations than we have today. Now, as for medicaid, I think it serves a purpose, but again it's a band-aid and the expansion, while accepted by Governors like a block-grant, forced certain conditions on states unlike what a block-grant would look like. It is pure political hogwash to suggest that anyone, other than maybe the most extreme libertarian, wants to let people go without medical care. What I want is a market based health care system that would have more competition and thus lower prices. I'm fine with medicaid, and I'm even more fine with faith based organizations who provide health care to the poor.

The fact of the matter is, folks who are covered by medicaid see poorer health outcomes than those with private insurance, that is just a fact. I reject the idea that we should create a permanent underclass in our society by expanding medicaid. Our goal should be lowering the cost of health care and helping people get private insurance. I would be a lot happier if we made medicaid a voucher program; it would likely save billions and improve health outcomes. So, in reality, those who support the expansion of the welfare state into health care are the ones who are willing to harm the health of Americans, I'm for saving money and saving lives.

I knew from day one eventually, people would realize what I realized. That John Kasich is a competent Governor, but he's not presidential material. If the establishment wants to go with another boring, middle-aged white guy who has a record of only hiring other boring, middle-aged white guys, and who talks in Washington talk half the time, they have John Kasich. The thing that is interesting is that I don't know if expanding medicaid under Obamacare is even popular at the country club. What is Kasich's campaign really about? We've heard about his record, we've also heard the others talk about their records. But what does John Kasich stand for, other than balanced budgets and expanding medicaid? Where does he stand out from the crowd? He doesn't, that is the reality. He's a better Governor than Pataki, Christie, and Huckabee. He was more effective in congress than Cruz, Paul, and Rubio, but he also served in an era where the President only broke the law in his personal life, not in his official capacity as President.

The irony of this statement coming from a Jeb Bush supporter is just.....so cringe worthy.

Jeb Bush speaks Spanish, he had a very diverse cabinet in Florida, he's taken a position on immigration that is pro-immigrant yet pro-law enforcement, and he has studied Latin culture for decades, including marrying a Mexican immigrant. By contrast, John Kasich had a cabinet in which 19 of his top 22 officials were white and middle-aged, he had no minorities.

and how does that have anything to do with who would be a better president

It doesn't, it has to do with who can win.

Collect enough tokens and win sounds like a children's game, not a selection process for the leader of the free world.

[Donald Trump 2016 !]

Jeb Bush speaks Spanish, he had a very diverse cabinet in Florida, he's taken a position on immigration that is pro-immigrant yet pro-law enforcement, and he has studied Latin culture for decades, including marrying a Mexican immigrant. By contrast, John Kasich had a cabinet in which 19 of his top 22 officials were white and middle-aged, he had no minorities.

You're gonna be really disappointed to find that everyday Americans don't see Bush as "hispanic" anymore than they see Rachel Dolezal as black.

[Kingpoleon]

dudeabides, calm down. Kasich is to Bush's left on... Medicaid and actually is fiscally responsible. Jeb Bush is no breath of fresh air.

Even looking objectively:
Kasich:
- 18 years on Armed Services Committee
- Chairman of the Finance Committee for six years
- Wrote federal balanced budget multiple years in a row
- 6 years as Governor of Ohio
- Beats Clinton in N. H. w/ low name recognition

Bush:
- 8 years as Gov. Florida
- Brother of George W.
- Son of George H. W.
- Father of George P.