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Question: should foreign airlines be able to run domestic routes
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yes, I'm against protectionism
 
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lean yes, but I'm concerned about safety/the domestic airline industry/security
 
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meh
 
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probably not
 
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no
 
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« on: December 27, 2023, 01:03:34 AM »

One of the things Milei is trying in Argentina is this, what do we think?  Chile has the most liberal air cabotage rules and there are some other specific places that have reciprocation deals in place, but for the most part, this never happens.
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« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2023, 02:22:14 AM »
« Edited: December 27, 2023, 05:57:55 AM by dead0man »

PDF->Washington State study from 2020 suggests the US consumer would save $1.6 billion a year if just one EU LCC enters the US market<-PDF
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To the best of our knowledge, the latter is the first estimate of the effect of the EU LCCs’ entry on fares. We then found from our simulation that an EU LCC's entry in US markets would generatea modest $1.6 billion annual welfare gain to travelers.
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« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2023, 05:05:27 AM »

If they've proven to be good enough to land in and take off from our airports, why not?
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« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2023, 01:46:46 AM »

Yes, and repeal the Jones Act.
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« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2023, 08:38:17 AM »

That does happen in Peru. Both chilenian Latam and colombian Avianca used to have domestic flighta here. Then, Avianca Peru dissapeared during the pandemic, altrought they still have international flights from Lima.
Avianca had better services, at least in their domestic flights. Also, there are some rumours on Latam in Peru...
There are also low cost foreing airlines, but Latam still has a strong dominance of the sector here.
Well, that wouldn't happen in USA, I suppose.
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« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2023, 03:50:26 PM »

Yes obviously, just make them conform to the same set of safety standards as domestic airlines. Competition is good. Opens up the possibility of traveling for more people and creates additional freedom.
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« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2023, 09:08:01 PM »

I can't think of any good reason to say no.
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« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2023, 11:42:35 PM »

Only if reciprocity offered so I support it for countries that allow in case of my country Canada if allowed Canadian airlines to fly domestic routes or if I were American only countries that let American fly domestic.  If done unilaterally could gave unfair advantage to competitor.  Also other challenge although more so in Canada than US is under immigration laws in both countries; it is illegal for a foreigner to work on any domestic route of transport.  They can only work on routes that begin or end in a foreign country be it marine transport, trucking, airlines etc.  So would need to either amend immigration laws or hire a Canadian/American based crew.  For US foreign owned airlines probably would hire an American based crew but not sure would in Canada it would be worth the while.

In EU where allowed, that is a non-issue as one has right to work in any EU member.  Likewise less an issue in South America as while they don't have complete free mobility of labor like EU does, anyone with no criminal record and can financially support themselves has right to apply for a 2 year visa and they can renew that as many times as they wish so much easier to get a work permit in other country than in US or Canada where you need to go through whole immigration process before being legally allowed to work there. 
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« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2024, 04:08:59 AM »

There has to be some standards but generally yes.
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« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2024, 03:34:00 PM »

No, and I support the Jones Act as well.
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« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2024, 03:47:50 PM »

Yes, but only airlines that meet a set of strict guidelines - both for the airline in terms of safety and maintenance, and the country in terms of security.
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« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2024, 04:18:42 PM »

Yes, but only airlines that meet a set of strict guidelines - both for the airline in terms of safety and maintenance, and the country in terms of security.

This.

It should actually be the norm that any company that does business elsewhere abides national standards and laws in any country (or at least countries with the rule of law) and pay their taxes at the place the profit was made.
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« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2024, 05:22:58 PM »

No, and I support the Jones Act as well.

Are you under some sort of witch's curse that requires you to take the wrong position on every issue?
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« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2024, 05:26:02 PM »

No, and I support the Jones Act as well.

Are you under some sort of witch's curse that requires you to take the wrong position on every issue?

I'm all for free markets, but I'm also a maritime security person.  The idea that the Jones Act distorts domestic shipping rates is true, but it's in service to our national security.
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« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2024, 11:23:50 AM »

Yes. The more competition the better.
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« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2024, 11:38:33 AM »

No, and all these foreign, government-subsidized middle eastern airlines need to be banned from US airspace.
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« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2024, 11:47:44 AM »

Yes obviously, just make them conform to the same set of safety standards as domestic airlines. Competition is good. Opens up the possibility of traveling for more people and creates additional freedom.
This, probably.
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« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2024, 06:22:12 PM »

I think I would support it for flights over 4 hours don't know about before that.
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« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2024, 01:01:38 AM »

One issue here is immigration law.  In most places particularly the US it is illegal for a foreigner not authorized in US to work on a domestic route for any form of transportation.  They can only legally work on routes between US and another country.  So while that doesn't stop foreign ones from entering, they would need a US based crew to comply with immigration laws.  I guess you could amend immigration laws to say as long as end or starting point is outside US it is okay if they pick up passengers or drop off along the way but would need to be amended.  EU allows it only for EU owned but not non-EU owned and there unlike US EU citizens can freely work in any EU member state.  Big reason British Airways cannot fly between two stops in EU due to fact British workers no longer have automatic right to work in EU.

So for those for it, how would you deal with the immigration issue part of it?  Or do you think foreign airlines would just hire a US based crew for US domestic routes?
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