Message Perception... Progressive attacks on Dems as pro Wall Street

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Watching the CNN town hall tonight- a question about Reagan Dems in the midwest... touched on the idea of some thinking Dems were the party of Wall Street.  

I would argue that it is pretty accepted... that in general...Wall Street certainly would choose Dems to be in office over Republican (ie ...Trump wants to rip up Dodd-Frank, Tax cuts for Corporations & Top 1% etc)

So my question- Do you think Dems as a whole, have been hurt on message/ perception... as a result of the Progressive Wing's constant claims about the Wall Street wing of the Dem Party.. or conflating Dems & Republicans as being equally bad re Wall Street, etc (more so than focusing on the Wall Street Republican Party who as a whole are definitely more pro wall street )? And do you think in 2020 ... Do you think Progressives will be more focused on Wall Street Republicans (as a result of being unified against Trump)?

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They've been hurt by actually being pawns of Wall Street. Progressives didn't make Obama's Justice Department decline to investigate former Clinton Treasury secretary Robert Rubin despite an unanimous recommendation to do so by the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission.
http://fortune.com/2016/03/13/robert-rubin-financial-crisis-commission-justice-department/

Progressives didn't make Kamala Harris decline to prosecute Steve Mnuchin for any of his crimes, and was the one Democrat he donated to.

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/05/kamala-harris-fails-to-explain-why-she-didnt-prosecute-steven-mnuchins-

I'm sure one can go on and on with simialar examples. Blaming progressives isn't going to make the problem go away.

[RINO Tom]

I think Dems' "pro-Wall Street"-ness is vastly overrated (even Obama, who is hilariously claimed as pro-Wall Street, ran his entire re-election campaign blasting those folks and unveiled a brand new set of regulations right before leaving office ... he's not their friend), so sure.

[Fight for Trump]

It is often just plain anti-Semitism.

[Blackacre]

It is often just plain anti-Semitism.

(((((((wall street democrats)))))))

[Figueira]

It is often just plain anti-Semitism.

No.

[Hindsight was 2020]

I'm sorry but this is f**king stupid. For the past 8 years Obama and the dems have been bashed by the right as commies who hate Wall Street I'm sorry "job creators". An now the reps have made president a CEO who made the Exxon CEO his SOS but the dems are "pro-Wall Street"

[Fight for Trump]

It is often just plain anti-Semitism.

No.

Right, I forgot that the right has a monopoly on racism. Sorry.

[136or142]

It is often just plain anti-Semitism.

No.

Right, I forgot that the right has a monopoly on racism. Sorry.

Not all Republicans are racist, but nearly all racists are Republicans.

[RINO Tom]

It is often just plain anti-Semitism.

No.

Right, I forgot that the right has a monopoly on racism. Sorry.

Not all Republicans are racist, but nearly all racists are Republicans.

That's a ridiculous statement with no basis in fact.  I know plenty of racist Democrats, and half the idiot liberals who believe this need simply look in the mirror.

[Figueira]

It is often just plain anti-Semitism.

No.

Right, I forgot that the right has a monopoly on racism. Sorry.

No, I just find this trend of "You don't agree with my economic views? You must be an anti-Semite!" to be deeply disturbing. Also it's ironically kind of antisemitic itself, since it plays into the "Jews control Wall Street" thing.

There is antisemitism on the left, but criticism of Wall Street is not an example of it.

[(Still) muted by Kalwejt until March 31]

It is often just plain anti-Semitism.

No.

[LLR]

It is often just plain anti-Semitism.

Not really...

[Thunderbird is the word]

They've been hurt by actually being pawns of Wall Street. Progressives didn't make Obama's Justice Department decline to investigate former Clinton Treasury secretary Robert Rubin despite an unanimous recommendation to do so by the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission.
http://fortune.com/2016/03/13/robert-rubin-financial-crisis-commission-justice-department/

Progressives didn't make Kamala Harris decline to prosecute Steve Mnuchin for any of his crimes, and was the one Democrat he donated to.

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/05/kamala-harris-fails-to-explain-why-she-didnt-prosecute-steven-mnuchins-

I'm sure one can go on and on with simialar examples. Blaming progressives isn't going to make the problem go away.

Exactly, especially when so much of the surrounding area of New York is represented by Wall Street insiders. Congressman Jim Himes of Fairfield County is one of the worst and in the current candidate for Governor of New Jersey Phil Murphy is one of the worst. My ultimate fear is that in a Booker vs Trump race it would represent a realignment where Democrats fully become the party of wall street and technocratic coastal elites against a right-wing populist party and we'd lose all hope of progressives ever gaining a foothold in the Democratic Party. Then i'd feel more politically homeless then ever.

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It is often just plain anti-Semitism.

That must explain why Bernie did so well. Oh, wait.

[Fight for Trump]

It is often just plain anti-Semitism.

That must explain why Bernie did so well. Oh, wait.

Bernie is an atheist and practically disavowed his ethnicity.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

It is often just plain anti-Semitism.

That must explain why Bernie did so well. Oh, wait.

Bernie is an atheist and practically disavowed his ethnicity.

Bernie got interested in politics because of his family being murdered in the Holocaust. He also spent several months living in Israel. And here he made a visit with his brother to the old country. So nope.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/24/bernie-sanders-poland-family-pride-presidential-run

[Fight for Trump]

It is often just plain anti-Semitism.

That must explain why Bernie did so well. Oh, wait.

Bernie is an atheist and practically disavowed his ethnicity.

Bernie got interested in politics because of his family being murdered in the Holocaust. He also spent several months living in Israel. And here he made a visit with his brother to the old country. So nope.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/24/bernie-sanders-poland-family-pride-presidential-run

He lived on the kibbutz because he is a communist, not because he loves Israel.

Anyway, I was talking about his campaign, not what he personally identifies as or believes in.

[(Still) muted by Kalwejt until March 31]

It is often just plain anti-Semitism.

That must explain why Bernie did so well. Oh, wait.

Bernie is an atheist and practically disavowed his ethnicity.

-Both of these are blatantly false. I would respect Bernie more if he went out-and-out as an atheist, but he at the very least pretended to be religious in the debates.

[RINO Tom]

It is often just plain anti-Semitism.

That must explain why Bernie did so well. Oh, wait.

Bernie is an atheist and practically disavowed his ethnicity.

-Both of these are blatantly false. I would respect Bernie more if he went out-and-out as an atheist, but he at the very least pretended to be religious in the debates.

Very few people are atheists, you know, so the odds Bernie is one are small.  Being an agnostic is catching on among Americans; the percent of Americans who believe the entire physical Universe created itself from nothing, however, has stayed at a comically low percent for a very long time.

[(Still) muted by Kalwejt until March 31]

It is often just plain anti-Semitism.

That must explain why Bernie did so well. Oh, wait.

Bernie is an atheist and practically disavowed his ethnicity.

-Both of these are blatantly false. I would respect Bernie more if he went out-and-out as an atheist, but he at the very least pretended to be religious in the debates.

Very few people are atheists, you know, so the odds Bernie is one are small.  Being an agnostic is catching on among Americans; the percent of Americans who believe the entire physical Universe created itself from nothing, however, has stayed at a comically low percent for a very long time.

-People of higher IQ are more likely than "people" to be atheists. Jews are more likely than "people" to be atheists. Higher IQ Jews are more likely than "people" to be atheists. And the prevalence of atheism has significantly risen since the rise of the WWW. So I would not be all that surprised Bernie was an atheist. However, I do not believe Bernie is an atheist -he has explicitly claimed to believe the existence of God. But I would still respect him more if he was one. I would respect him even more if he admitted it.

[uti2]

I think Dems' "pro-Wall Street"-ness is vastly overrated (even Obama, who is hilariously claimed as pro-Wall Street, ran his entire re-election campaign blasting those folks and unveiled a brand new set of regulations right before leaving office ... he's not their friend), so sure.

Point is that Obama ran as a progressive, but he governed more as a moderate. Obama was playing this game of demagoguery, but didn't have the policies to actually prove it, then Bernie and Trump showed up and exposed both the republican and democratic establishment for the types of demagoguery they used on both sides to appeal to their bases by staking out claimed support for policies that both party establishments weren't actually ready to support.

[Devout Centrist]

Private equity tends to support Republicans, technology now goes towards the Dems. At least since 2000.

[GoTfan]

I think Dems' "pro-Wall Street"-ness is vastly overrated (even Obama, who is hilariously claimed as pro-Wall Street, ran his entire re-election campaign blasting those folks and unveiled a brand new set of regulations right before leaving office ... he's not their friend), so sure.

Point is that Obama ran as a progressive, but he governed more as a moderate. Obama was playing this game of demagoguery, but didn't have the policies to actually prove it, then Bernie and Trump showed up and exposed both the republican and democratic establishment for the types of demagoguery they used on both sides to appeal to their bases by staking out claimed support for policies that both party establishments weren't actually ready to support.

Precisely. He ran as a progressive, but was a moderate, and he sucked us all in.

[RaphaelDLG]

The overall point is that Republicans (pols, not constituents) are definitely the Wall Street party but that the Democrats have been the Diet Wall Street party, and need to with both words and actions get back to being a party of economic contrast if they want to succeed in the long-term/a substantive, lasting way.