Suburb haters/Obama lovers

[Keystone Phil]

BTW, Fishtown (Phil's most used example of Philly's racism) voted 81% for Obama.

Not relevant at all (my most used example of Philly racism would probably be areas closer to me/parts of South Philly even though Fishtown still has very racist areas) but not surprising considering the source.

The point is there was no severe collapse for Obama in any part of Philly and he actually did better than Kerry.

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That's still not relevant at all to the 26th ward. We're talking about a specific part of the city right now, chief. I know it doesn't fit what you want to talk about but that's not relevant. Kerry won the 26th with 53%. Obama got 47% there. It's a conservative urban area. Now stop skipping around the question and answer it.

By the way, I'd love to know where you got that number for Fishtown. I didn't see an article on the results from the area and I doubt you know which specific areas are in Fishtown to look up the ward breakdown.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishtown_Effect

Yeah I know the source but there's a citation and link.

Ok, great. By the way, I drive passed the street pictured on that page everyday. Too cool.

Anyway, as expected, those results are totally inflated. The 18th ward is half Fishtown, half Puerto Rican/black neighborhoods. Notice the border (Frankford Avenue). To the west are the Puerto Rican/black areas that went heavily for Obama. To the east is Fishtown. When you calculate the actual numbers for Fishtown, the results look to be closer to about 70% for Obama. Obviously still a decisive victory but not 80%. I don't think the person writing the Wiki article intentionally left this information out (probably didn't know any better). Hopefully, someone will edit it.

Now let's answer the actual question for the topic of the thread.

[phk]

A tough call.

But in the suburbs most likely, as long as I had quick access to the dining areas of Ward 26.

[Sbane]

Abington. South Philly doesn't sound like the kind of urban area I would like to live in.

[Keystone Phil]

But in the suburbs most likely, as long as I had quick access to the dining areas of Ward 26.

Abington is quite a way from the 26th. Definitely not "quick" to get to.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Ok, great. By the way, I drive passed the street pictured on that page everyday. Too cool.

Just posting the picture mentioned because I like the buildings...

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Oh, and that ward in South Philly. Didn't even have to think about that.

[dead0man]

Ok, great. By the way, I drive passed the street pictured on that page everyday. Too cool.

Just posting the picture mentioned because I like the buildings...

That could be nearly any city in America.  From Dothan Alabama to Olympia Washington and every place in between with more than 10,000 people.  I'd prefer the buildings be a little further back with a small porch, but that's just me

[Keystone Phil]

Ok, great. By the way, I drive passed the street pictured on that page everyday. Too cool.

Just posting the picture mentioned because I like the buildings...

You would love that neighborhood. There are even a number of the young, trendy Progressive types moving in. It's becoming an interesting mix.

[Platypus]

...where's the green?

[phk]

Ok, great. By the way, I drive passed the street pictured on that page everyday. Too cool.

Just posting the picture mentioned because I like the buildings...

You would love that neighborhood. There are even a number of the young, trendy Progressive types moving in. It's becoming an interesting mix.

Reminds me of England.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

BTW, Fishtown (Phil's most used example of Philly's racism) voted 81% for Obama.

Not relevant at all (my most used example of Philly racism would probably be areas closer to me/parts of South Philly even though Fishtown still has very racist areas) but not surprising considering the source.

The point is there was no severe collapse for Obama in any part of Philly and he actually did better than Kerry.

...

That's still not relevant at all to the 26th ward. We're talking about a specific part of the city right now, chief. I know it doesn't fit what you want to talk about but that's not relevant. Kerry won the 26th with 53%. Obama got 47% there. It's a conservative urban area. Now stop skipping around the question and answer it.

By the way, I'd love to know where you got that number for Fishtown. I didn't see an article on the results from the area and I doubt you know which specific areas are in Fishtown to look up the ward breakdown.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishtown_Effect

Yeah I know the source but there's a citation and link.

Ok, great. By the way, I drive passed the street pictured on that page everyday. Too cool.

Anyway, as expected, those results are totally inflated. The 18th ward is half Fishtown, half Puerto Rican/black neighborhoods. Notice the border (Frankford Avenue). To the west are the Puerto Rican/black areas that went heavily for Obama. To the east is Fishtown. When you calculate the actual numbers for Fishtown, the results look to be closer to about 70% for Obama. Obviously still a decisive victory but not 80%. I don't think the person writing the Wiki article intentionally left this information out (probably didn't know any better). Hopefully, someone will edit it.

Now let's answer the actual question for the topic of the thread.

OK, the 26th based on the proximity thing. I'd just pick one of the most liberal areas. There has to be some very strong Obama precincts in a ward like that.

BTW, that picture looks just like my neighborhood. Could easily be from there. I think Al would love my apartment building.

[Keystone Phil]

...where's the green?

Please note - The picture is of Fishtown, not of the 26th ward/South Philly (they aren't even close to each other). That being said, they're very similar in terms of housing, streets, etc. That is one major problem of these densely populated areas - very little greenery. There are a few parks here and there and even a few trees in front of houses but that's it. The area pictured has a park/cemetery a block away towards the center of the neighborhood. Not exactly an ideal recreational place. In addition to that, parking is a nightmare on these narrow streets (even worse in South Philly. They have their own unique parking style).

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

...where's the green?

Please note - The picture is of Fishtown, not of the 26th ward/South Philly (they aren't even close to each other). That being said, they're very similar in terms of housing, streets, etc. That is one major problem of these densely populated areas - very little greenery. There are a few parks here and there and even a few trees in front of houses but that's it. The area pictured has a park/cemetery a block away towards the center of the neighborhood. Not exactly an ideal recreational place. In addition to that, parking is a nightmare on these narrow streets (even worse in South Philly. They have their own unique parking style).

Wow that sounds exactly like my neighborhood.

[Platypus]

One of the best things about Melbourne's inner suburbs...well, not so much the ones past Carlton to the north, but the rest of them....is that there is a large number of parks, many streets have some kind of median strip, and the local councils have planted trees every few meters which better defines car parking spots and also provides some greenery. Not every street, but certainly most, also have houses with front gardens, even if they are tiny. *Pats Melbourne's town planners on the back, they really did get just about everything right*