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« on: April 17, 2017, 10:14:54 AM »
« edited: April 17, 2017, 10:17:37 AM by Virginia »

This brutal new poll shows that fewer and fewer people believe Trump’s lies

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/04/17/this-brutal-new-poll-shows-that-fewer-and-fewer-people-believe-trumps-lies/?utm_term=.6a3a9d2a02f0



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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/17/us/politics/trump-voters-swing-state.html?_r=0

"The New York Times talks to voters in a Pennsylvania swing district that narrowly backed Trump and finds glimmers of dissatisfaction with Trump:"

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« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2017, 10:30:25 AM »

45% still believe that he will? Geez... polarization at its best, I guess.

My question now is whether or not that goes down further by summer/fall of next year. If Republicans keep fumbling on big ticket legislation, and president Trump fully abandons the positions he adopted as candidate Trump, then it's not hard to see this fall even more. At least at this rate, but then again, it is possible pure partisanship results in a hard floor that is higher than you'd think. Not sure what it would be, though. I'm not convinced something in the 40s is as low as he can go.
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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2017, 10:35:23 AM »

45% still believe that he will? Geez... polarization at its best, I guess.

I think he will keep certain promises, like ratcheting up deportations, approving of the erosion of voting rights, cutting taxes (on the rich), and ignoring climate change.  And maybe he'll pass some sort of infrastructure package with a Dem house (or maybe even a Republican house depending on the circumstances).  Otherwise, yeah, his campaign was just a big con.
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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2017, 11:38:25 AM »

45% still believe that he will? Geez... polarization at its best, I guess.
Until sh*t hits the fan, that's to be expected
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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2017, 11:50:57 AM »

How could it have ever been at 62% in the first place!
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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2017, 01:08:56 PM »

How could it have ever been at 62% in the first place!
I'd guess that's partly due to Democrats/liberal independents assuming he'd follow through with the policy ideas they hate (border wall, Obamacare repeal, etc). "Keeps his promises" can mean "is trustworthy," but it can also mean "is a real threat."
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« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2017, 02:24:46 PM »


Sigh. This waiting is tiring.

I'm sorry that so many people bought into Trump's con. And I'm also sorry that they are taking so long to catch on.

Waiting for the stragglers....
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« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2017, 04:45:52 PM »

How could it have ever been at 62% in the first place!


The guy doesn't speak like your typical politician. He's so confident in his lies that people think he's telling the truth. It's a faux straight shooter act but it's very good. But it's governing time and not campaigning time so people are starting to see him for what he is.

I still think he's nothing but Dunning-Kruger and a very effective sales schtick attached to a whole mess of mental disorders.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

Unfortunately, it's pretty effective.
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« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2017, 08:20:04 AM »
« Edited: April 18, 2017, 01:02:55 PM by pbrower2a »

How could it have ever been at 62% in the first place!
I'd guess that's partly due to Democrats/liberal independents assuming he'd follow through with the policy ideas they hate (border wall, Obamacare repeal, etc). "Keeps his promises" can mean "is trustworthy," but it can also mean "is a real threat."

Here's how I see the prospects for political figures:

1. GOOD BY INTENTION AND COMPETENCE AND RESULT -- makes promises that one wants, achieves them, and keeps them attractive and desirable. Co0ngratulations on your good fortune.

That is the optimum for any voter... and a high standard to keep.

2. SUSPECT BY INTENTION, GOOD BY COMPETENCE AND RESULT -- makes promises that one may not initially like, but achieves them and convinces one after the fact.

Satisfaction, if not immediate. So the deficit spending pays for itself, or the political order cuts into government spending and deficits with no real harm. The hawkish politician may get a better foundation for peace than some overt pacifist who yields quickly to an aggressive rival in diplomacy. The politician who doesn't exude masculine aggressiveness might end up serving revenge -- cold -- because he can treat the military and the intelligence services well.

Whether a politician fits in the first or second category for a stake-holder depends upon the initial ideology of the stake-holder. Either way the results are good.

3. GOOD INTENTION, EFFECTIVE IMPLEMENTATION, SUSPECT RESULTS -- here the politician gets his way (and the individual position of the stake-holder), but results are questionable. Maybe the program was too expensive for its desired purpose.  Here's where one gets serious disappointment. Maybe someone ignored the potential for bad consequences. It's back to the drawing board for the policies -- but at the next election the side with an agenda not yours will control the drawing board.

4. SUSPECT INTENTION, EFFECTIVE IMPLEMENTATION, SUSPECT RESULTS  -- This is the "I told you so" position. One gets very much what one does not want, and one either gets fired up or angry. Those on the opposite side in the previous election may have gotten the third result. So the President promises a higher minimum wage  and gets it -- but unemployment skyrockets. On the other side, the President might have promised pay cuts to stimulate employment, but consumer spending by people earning less craters and so does the overall economy. It's back to the drawing board after the next electoral chance, and your side gets it.

5. GOOD INTENTION, INEFFECTIVE IMPLEMENTATION  -- Results do not emerge, so it is hard to judge whether the results would be desirable. Results are thus irrelevant. One has an inapt vehicle for the achievement of one's ideals.

6. SUSPECT INTENTION, INEFFECTIVE IMPLEMENTATION -- See #5. You may be relieved that the fellows you voted against didn't deliver what you disliked anyway.

7. MALIGN INTENT.  It is far easier to implement evil than to implement good. Just think of this in the crudest dichotomy: it is easy to kill someone by shooting a victim in the heart and extremely difficult to save someone's life through open-heart surgery. It is easier to do an armed robbery than to establish a successful business. It is far easier to hate pariahs than to elevate pariahs. Good societies obviously insist that people make their living by non-predatory means and give people the chance, whether through laissez-faire policies or through a welfare state. Good societies put the effort into making productive people out of their youth and don't squeeze small business into bankruptcy. Malign intent usually comes with forceful means that entrench power for evil-doers. This is a nightmare, whether the efficient monstrosity of Iraq under Saddam Hussein or the ludicrous rot of the Duvalier family in Haiti. All that can redeem the situation is either utter defeat of the leadership in war or the annihilation of that elite in revolution and retribution.

Those with malign intent do everything possible to destroy their more humane antitheses. Just imagine how long Mohandas Gandhi or Martin Luther King would have lasted in the presence of a Hitler-like or Stalin-like ruler.    

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« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2017, 08:34:27 AM »

Interesting gender difference there.
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« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2017, 11:07:33 AM »

All he needs to do is bomb North Korea into the 23rd century and he will be fine.

Flattening Assad will be an added bonus.

Pay off the $20T debt, piss him off and then business returns to normal.

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« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2017, 11:18:57 AM »

Interesting gender difference there.
Unsurprising, if we're being honest.
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« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2017, 12:02:05 PM »

Interesting gender difference there.

And one that - I suspect - cuts across race, class, age, etc.
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