The Foolish Factor
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
May 23, 2024, 01:45:02 PM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  General Politics
  U.S. General Discussion (Moderators: The Dowager Mod, Chancellor Tanterterg)
  The Foolish Factor
« previous next »
Pages: [1]
Author Topic: The Foolish Factor  (Read 1171 times)
A18
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 23,794
Political Matrix
E: 9.23, S: -6.35

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« on: November 08, 2005, 01:12:31 PM »

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=5128

Bill O'Reilly, host of the popular Fox News show The O'Reilly Factor, has been preaching to his flock to buy no gas on Sundays. "Let's send a message to these energy people who operate in the shadows," he says.

That should have been saved for a different part of the show, "The Most Ridiculous Item of the Day."

If we all rush to fill up on Saturday rather than Sunday, that would have zero effect on how much fuel we buy. The only "energy people" who could be hurt would be gas stations who nonetheless stubbornly remained open on Sundays.

In early September, Mr. O'Reilly announced, as a matter of belief, that "the five major American oil companies are taking advantage of Hurricane Katrina and the war on terror to compile record profits by raising gas prices through the roof."

The Oil and Gas Journal offers a somewhat more complex interpretation: "With the Louisiana Offshore Oil Port, the biggest U.S. facility for importing crude, temporarily shut down by Hurricane Rita when the storm came ashore Sept. 24 near the Texas-Louisiana border, U.S. crude imports fell by nearly 1.6 million b/d [barrels a day] to 8.1 million b/d in the week ended Sept. 30. Crude input into U.S. refineries plummeted by 2.9 million b/d to 11.7 million b/d, with refineries operating at 69.8 percent of capacity that week after many Gulf Coast facilities shut down in preparation for the hurricane. 'Gasoline and distillate fuel production declined dramatically,' said EIA [the Energy Information Agency]."

Putting such unpleasant realities aside, Mr. O'Reilly recently launched a "Are You Getting Hosed at the Pump?" segment, in which John Birger of Fortune was repeatedly squelched for trying to explain how markets work.

Mr. O'Reilly blustered, "Nobody knows what the market is, Mr. Birger. Nobody knows what that is. It's not a person." He really seems to imagine the price at your local gas station is literally set by decree by the bosses of five oil companies.

"You can't have an open market," Mr. O'Reilly explained, "when you have only five major oil companies. ... I think they're price-fixing. I think all the refineries are saying to Rudy at the gas station: 'We're going to charge you this. And if you don't like it, you're not going to get any gas. ... It's the greedy oil companies that are making it."

Since prices of oil and gasoline have gone down at least as often as they've gone up, over the years, Mr. O'Reilly's novel theory of changing prices implies greed is highly variable, causing oil prices to drop whenever five CEOs are feeling charitable and to rise when they're in a cruel mood.

In reality, the market for gasoline is much wider and deeper than five majors. The National Association of Convenience Stores (NACS) represents 2,200 companies that sell half of the nation's gasoline. The Society of Independent Gasoline Marketers of America (SIGMA) represents 231 companies that sell about 31 percent of all U.S. gasoline, including big-box retailers like Costco and Kroger. SIGMA members get only 40 percent of their gasoline from major oil companies, and only 6 percent get all their fuel from the majors.

Mr. O'Reilly is always quick to say what he thinks or believes, as if reality were a matter of opinion. The one apparent fact he mentioned was an unseen "study" by University of Wisconsin economist Don Nichols, described by the Associated Press:

"Historically, Nichols said, the markup between the price of a gallon of crude and a gallon of gasoline is about 85 to 90 cents a gallon, including refining, distribution and taxes. At $50 for a 44-gallon barrel of crude, he said, the pump price should be about $2 a gallon, a little more or less in some states depending on taxes. At $65 a barrel -- nearly identical to the price in Tuesday afternoon trading -- a gallon should be about $2.30. ... For gasoline to be $3 a gallon, he said, crude should be selling for about $95 a barrel."

Whatever that is, it is not good economics or math. Gasoline prices are not determined by adding a fixed markup to costs, but by supply and demand in global commodity markets. Crude oil accounts for only 44 percent of the retail cost of gasoline. Most of the cost -- the so-called "markup" -- has been about evenly split between taxes, and the cost of refining, storing, marketing and distributing fuel. That "markup" certainly is not fixed at 85 to 90 cents a gallon (nearly half of which is taxes). Besides, there are 42 gallons in a barrel, not 44, so even Mr. Nichols' arithmetic is wrong.

Armed with nothing more than this, however, The Factor called for an investigation into possible price-fixing.

The last thing we need is more political publicity stunts called "investigations." The Government Accountability Office thoroughly investigated gasoline prices in a March 1993 study, "Energy Security and Policy: Analysis of the Pricing of Crude Oil and Petroleum Products." Among other things, the GAO found: "Prices for crude oil and petroleum products in inventories during a market shock, including gasoline held by local service stations, will rapidly adjust to reflect the oil's and products' current market value, even if that oil or those products were produced or acquired at a lower or higher cost." Which is to say, markets work very quickly and efficiently.

State attorneys general now competing for the limelight by bullying local gas stations for "gouging" are doing nothing but harm. New Jersey Attorney General Peter Harvey was on Fox TV complaining some station had raised the retail price to cover the increased cost of new fuel, even though he paid less for gasoline "in the ground." That's a recipe for waiting in lines. If merchants can't sell something for what it will cost to replace it, much of it may not get replaced.

I recall an incident from 1974 when price controls and rationing left only one gas station still open on Sundays on all of Long Island, N.Y. The government promptly put him out of business for "gouging," of course. After that, nobody on Long Island was selling gas on Sundays. That's one way to get people to line up for gas on Saturdays, thus accommodating Bill O'Reilly's "never on Sundays" rule.

In the early '80s, the Media Institute held an international conference in England, published in 1983 as Energy Coverage -- Media Panic, edited by Nelson Smith and Leonard Theberge. In the opening chapter, I named and quoted numerous cases of deplorable reporting by prominent journalists. If there is ever a comparable opportunity to look back on all the energy-related demagoguery of 2005, Bill O'Reilly is well on his way toward supplying enough material for a whole chapter.
Logged
MODU
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 22,023
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2005, 01:36:24 PM »



Yup, it doesn't matter what day you buy the gas . . . at some point, you have to buy gas.  What he should be preaching is using less gas, not avoiding gas stations on Sundays.
Logged
Richard
Richius
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4,369


Political Matrix
E: 8.40, S: 2.80

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2005, 02:18:19 PM »

This was the stupidest thing O'Reilly has ever done.  WTF?  Did he have a brain anurism?
Logged
Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.
jmfcst
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 18,212
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2005, 02:25:52 PM »

gasoline is traded in the open market like any other commodity.  it is 100% based on supply and demand.  If you want to lower the price, decrease demand (conservation) and increase supply (allow for the building of more refineries)
Logged
Joe Republic
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 40,136
Ukraine


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2005, 05:19:31 PM »

Quote
You must be logged in to read this quote.

He has truly gone off the deep end here.
Logged
Brandon H
brandonh
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4,305
United States


Political Matrix
E: 3.48, S: 1.74

WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2005, 08:32:44 PM »

Echoing most of what everyone else said, it's how much you drive, not when you get gas. Now as a result of Katrina, I am working from home (and visiting this site if I have nothing assinged which I could not do at work) so I am not spending money on gas that I would normally.
Logged
MODU
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 22,023
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2005, 08:40:32 PM »



Ben Stein just told O'Reily his "thesis" makes absolutely no sense.  HAHAHA
Logged
Dave from Michigan
9iron768
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 3,298
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2005, 08:43:06 PM »



Ben Stein just told O'Reily his "thesis" makes absolutely no sense.  HAHAHA


O'Reily is talking crazy
Logged
dazzleman
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 13,777
Political Matrix
E: 1.88, S: 1.59

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2005, 09:05:07 PM »

This was the stupidest thing O'Reilly has ever done.  WTF?  Did he have a brain anurism?

It's completely stupid.  Only reduction of demand, or an increase in supply, can result in lower prices.

Another stupid thing I see is those chain e-mails telling people not to buy frmo certain oil companies.  They're just as stupid as this O'Reilly campaign.
Logged
MaC
Milk_and_cereal
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 9,787


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2005, 10:39:51 PM »



Ben Stein just told O'Reily his "thesis" makes absolutely no sense.  HAHAHA


O'Reily is talking crazy

O'Reily never really spoke anything other than crazy.  Of course, it's refreshing to see Phillip denounce the neo-con wing of the party.
Logged
MODU
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 22,023
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2005, 08:11:32 AM »



Ben Stein just told O'Reily his "thesis" makes absolutely no sense.  HAHAHA


O'Reily is talking crazy

O'Reily never really spoke anything other than crazy.  Of course, it's refreshing to see Phillip denounce the neo-con wing of the party.

I think he should stick with calling on all governors to back the child protection law.  At least that is something of principle and doesn't require a grasp of economics.  His whole thing regarding oil prices is completely messed up, and that's coming from a guy who worked in that industry for a while.
Logged
Pages: [1]  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.23 seconds with 12 queries.