Do you think Hillary Clinton being born in Chicago helped her any in the Chicago Metro Area?
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« on: May 05, 2021, 02:32:41 PM »

How well do you think Biden did compared to Clinton, Obama 2012, Obama 2008 in the Chicago, IL area (McHenry, Lake, Kane, DuPage, Kendall, Will, Cook) counties? Do you think he underperformed? In these counties the results are as follows:
Biden 66.7%
Trump 31.3%

Clinton 65.1%
Trump 28.8%

Obama 64.5%
Romney 33.9%

Obama 68.1%
McCain 30.7%
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« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2021, 02:43:50 PM »

i doubt it had any difference.
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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2021, 03:41:37 PM »

It might have helped marginally. But Hillary's ties to Chicago, at least in terms of public perception, are nowhere near as strong as Obama's to Chicago or even Biden's to Scranton. And the latter might have made a real difference in PA.

Hillary doing better in Chicago than Obama 2012 is interesting though. Probably more a backlash to Trump than anything else, but then again in terms of margin she also outperformed Biden there.
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« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2021, 05:20:43 PM »

No, nobody here thinks of Clinton as a politician associated with Chicago (especially compared to Obama). Chicagoland turning bluer had more to do with other nationwide trends.
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« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2021, 05:26:04 PM »

No, nobody here thinks of Clinton as a politician associated with Chicago (especially compared to Obama). Chicagoland turning bluer had more to do with other nationwide trends.

Do you think Biden underperformed in Cook County?
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« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2021, 06:12:11 PM »

No. I don't think her Chicago origins are even that well-known. She was far more associated with New York than any other state by the time she ran for President. There are probably people who don't even know that she was First Lady of Arkansas.

Her elevated performance over Obama in 2012 probably had more to do with the suburban trends if anything. And as for her performing just slightly better than Biden, that is probably just noise.
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« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2021, 06:39:19 PM »

No. I don't think her Chicago origins are even that well-known. She was far more associated with New York than any other state by the time she ran for President. There are probably people who don't even know that she was First Lady of Arkansas.

Her elevated performance over Obama in 2012 probably had more to do with the suburban trends if anything. And as for her performing just slightly better than Biden, that is probably just noise.

The funny the Democrats have increased their vote percentages since 2012.
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« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2021, 11:08:27 PM »

No, Los Angeles County even swing more than Cook County.
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« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2021, 03:35:01 AM »

I don't think so. Kamala Harris was born in Oakland (where I live) yet Biden's margin of victory over Trump was slightly down from Hillary's here. This area also supported Bernie in the 2020 primary.
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« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2021, 07:39:50 AM »

I don't think so. Kamala Harris was born in Oakland (where I live) yet Biden's margin of victory over Trump was slightly down from Hillary's here. This area also supported Bernie in the 2020 primary.

However, in Oakland the margin hasn't changed much at all. Biden got just over 90% of the vote. The margin in Oakland has fluctuated only about 3 percent in the past 4 election cycles.
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« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2021, 06:22:37 PM »

How well do you think Biden did compared to Clinton, Obama 2012, Obama 2008 in the Chicago, IL area (McHenry, Lake, Kane, DuPage, Kendall, Will, Cook) counties? Do you think he underperformed? In these counties the results are as follows:
Biden 66.7%
Trump 31.3%

Clinton 65.1%
Trump 28.8%

Obama 64.5%
Romney 33.9%

Obama 68.1%
McCain 30.7%


Like in most Big Metro Areas, Hillary had a massive swing with white voters (plus what she gained with Latinos canceled her loses with Black voters). Naturally, Biden's smaller improvments with whites (Already voting quite high so not lot of room for growth) were wiped out by Trump's Latino and Black swing. (And Latinos here didn't even had those enormous R+20 swings that Texas/Florida saw)

Just look at these congressional districts in Cook County that are mostly white (Compared to this one in LA):

            2012 | 2016 | 2020
 IL-05    +34     +47    +46
 IL-09    +32     +45    +44

            2012 | 2016 | 2020
 CA-30  +33     +43    +39 (*This one has a big latino minority so the gains didn't hold)
 
Now look at the mostly Latino/Black ones:

                      2012 | 2016 | 2020
 IL-01 (Black)    +59    +54    +49
 IL-04 (Latino)   +64    +69    +63
 
So yeah, it seems Hillary's overperformance and Biden's underperfomance in Chicago was nothing out or the ordinary given the national trends.
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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2021, 10:18:25 PM »

Yeah, we're talking about angels dancing on a pinhead in terms of the significance of margin differentials. The Chicago metro has been one giant blue blob since 2008, Democrats just managed to wipe away the moderate rebound Romney managed to achieve in the suburbs. The biggest difference has come in the form of the Democrat's consolidation of downballot races since Trump and the Republicans getting absolutely bounced in their former wealthy strongholds.
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