Does Hillary get an unfair rap?
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« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2024, 04:40:20 PM »

The beliefs that she's the worst person in the world or that the world would end if she was President are nonsense. The belief that she's electorally weak is accurate.
What if someone else had put her on the ticket at some point(pref. 2008)?

Then she would never have been Secretary of State, the Benghazi investigation would never have touched her office, she never would have had emailgate, never had Comey, and we would not have had Trump 2016. Obama, however, could never stomach a female colleague, even reporters were "sweetie" to him, and he never invited female WH staff to his famous basketball games, and Christina Romer felt like a piece of meat instead.

Had he been a little less sexist, then Clinton would've lost in 2020, and Trump would be president today, possibly cruising to re-election. But at least the liberals would have the Court and we would have Roe. Take your pick.

Even if there had never been the e-mail "scandal" the press would have found something else to blow out of proportion (probably the Clinton Foundation).
They tried to turn into a scandal the fact that as a SoS she met with a Nobel Peace Prize laureate for f**k's shake.
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« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2024, 09:13:50 PM »

I could probably write a whole book on my thoughts of the legacy of Hillary Clinton. But one highlight I would point out is that in ~2013, she had an approval rating of almost 2:1 in favor. She had the capability of being popular, even while she had just spent four years as a high-profile member of Obama's cabinet. She didn't get that popular by being someone not genuine to who she was or always making popular decisions, but by simply being competent at her job and not playing politics with it. Her decision to run for president, even while pretty much everyone saw it as inevitable, was what ultimately started her decline. She wasn't the first candidate to have this happen, and she won't be the last. But I think it's impossible to discuss how Hillary's time as an active public servant was always when she shined brightest while her time as a campaigner is when she struggled. And honestly, I think that should be a mark in her favor when the history books of that era are written in the decades to come.
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« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2024, 10:21:05 PM »

I don't think she has an unfair rep, I think it's more that too many politicians have gotten away with doing corrupt things.
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« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2024, 11:00:49 PM »

She would have made a better President than anyone who ran in 2016, 2020 or this year. 
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« Reply #29 on: April 09, 2024, 05:58:09 AM »

Nah, she ran a terrible campaign and has been absolutely classless since. I think she and Bill had an unfairly positive rep within Democratic politics for far too long if anything.
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« Reply #30 on: April 11, 2024, 11:06:21 AM »

I could probably write a whole book on my thoughts of the legacy of Hillary Clinton. But one highlight I would point out is that in ~2013, she had an approval rating of almost 2:1 in favor. She had the capability of being popular, even while she had just spent four years as a high-profile member of Obama's cabinet. She didn't get that popular by being someone not genuine to who she was or always making popular decisions, but by simply being competent at her job and not playing politics with it. Her decision to run for president, even while pretty much everyone saw it as inevitable, was what ultimately started her decline. She wasn't the first candidate to have this happen, and she won't be the last. But I think it's impossible to discuss how Hillary's time as an active public servant was always when she shined brightest while her time as a campaigner is when she struggled. And honestly, I think that should be a mark in her favor when the history books of that era are written in the decades to come.

Along these lines, I think there's something to be said about the point she makes regarding women being popular when they are serving someone else yet "over-ambitious" and deceitful when they start advocating for themselves.
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