Do you support the deportation of illegal aliens?

[Ebowed]

YES - under ANY and EVERY circumstance!

Well, I might consider supporting deporting fundamentalists.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

A resounding yes.

Were you a conservative back then or something?

Not really. He was more of a libertarian with some nationalistic and "law and order" tendencies.

[Ban my account ffs!]

No.  I support giving illegal aliens sticks and then sending them to the south to poke white people with them, just to watch the southerners squirm in xenophobic disgust.

[Friz]

YES - under ANY and EVERY circumstance!

Well, I might consider supporting deporting fundamentalists.

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[Eraserhead]

YES - under ANY and EVERY circumstance!

You are teh evil.

[Rob]

A resounding yes.

Were you a conservative back then or something?

Not really. He was more of a libertarian with some nationalistic and "law and order" tendencies.

Yeah, I was stupid. Kind of embarrassing, but hey- we all make mistakes, right?

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Yeah, I was stupid. Kind of embarrassing, but hey- we all make mistakes, right?

I remember a really heated argument with you. It was ironic, you were saying "I'm more libertarian than the Democratic party, but it should move in the populist direction." Obviously the Democratic party shouldn't become any more anti 4th amendment or pro Iraq war than it already is.

[Rob]

I remember a really heated argument with you. It was ironic, you were saying "I'm more libertarian than the Democratic party, but it should move in the populist direction."

I remember that! iirc, I was saying that I didn't plan to support Democrats either way, but they needed to recapture the "populists" if they wanted to win.

Obviously the Democratic party shouldn't become any more anti 4th amendment or pro Iraq war than it already is.

Strongly agreed.

[Sensei]

I do, to an extent.

[??????????]

No.  I support giving illegal aliens sticks and then sending them to the south to poke white people with them, just to watch the southerners squirm in xenophobic disgust.

It's Xenophobic to want to enforce the nations laws?

[Mesu]

To put it bluntly... Do you support the immediate deporation of illegal aliens?

No.

No.  I support giving illegal aliens sticks and then sending them to the south to poke white people with them, just to watch the southerners squirm in xenophobic disgust.

It's Xenophobic to want to enforce the nations laws?

By itself? I suppose not. When talking about immigration the question is asked what SHOULD the laws be. "Because it's the law" is not a real reason to support border control in the context of what the law should be ideally.

For example when taking about abortion pro life supporters wouldn't accept the reasoning that abortion should legal "because it's the law" but border control supporters will accept that reasoning on immigration probably only because the law currently favors border control.

Xenophobia existed well before there were national immigration laws in this country and it was a driving force of why they passed and it will be a significant factor if they never get repealed.

[??????????]

Why do you think the US should have "open borders" and please tell me of any other nation that has such a suicidal policy?

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Why do you think the US should have "open borders" and please tell me of any other nation that has such a suicidal policy?

Luxembourg

[??????????]

Why do you think the US should have "open borders" and please tell me of any other nation that has such a suicidal policy?

Luxembourg

A relevant nation?

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Why do you think the US should have "open borders" and please tell me of any other nation that has such a suicidal policy?

Luxembourg

A relevant nation?

A bunch of other Eurozone countries, if they don't patrol their ocean borders.

[Lief 🗽]

Why do you think the US should have "open borders" and please tell me of any other nation that has such a suicidal policy?

You should have told the founders that when they were screwing around with that whole federalism thing. Obviously, America should only do what other countries do.

[Ebowed]

Why do you think the US should have "open borders" and please tell me of any other nation that has such a suicidal policy?

Ah, he made an excellent point about abortion and you aren't going to respond to it.  Typical.

This "ENFORCE THE LAW" stuff is just so obnoxious.  Anyone who says it either hasn't thought through the issue very deeply or is just using it to cover for xenophobia.

[Gabu]

Why do you think the US should have "open borders" and please tell me of any other nation that has such a suicidal policy?

If you list off the nations other than the US that still the death penalty as an option, you probably won't like the members of the list very much, but that doesn't stop you from supporting it.

[Ebowed]

Why do you think the US should have "open borders" and please tell me of any other nation that has such a suicidal policy?

If you list off the nations other than the US that still the death penalty as an option, you probably won't like the members of the list very much, but that doesn't stop you from supporting it.

Well, that's reconciled in his ideology because he supports launching pre-emptive nuclear strikes against all of those countries, so eventually the US will be the only God-fearing country to have the death penalty, removing all of the bad company.

[Mesu]

Why do you think the US should have "open borders"

Well open borders would mean at least one less victimless crime on the books which is good in the all cases I can think of. Also if people are going to come here either way they should be treated like people and not "aliens" by the government. Again if we assume they'll cross anyways, it's better address any problems created then pretend they won't keep coming here. Also border patrol operations that currently only redirect border crossings into dangerous areas(sometimes people die from dehydration crossing the desert) would stop. Also the freedom of migration is a great thing by itself and restricting it should require very compelling reasons that can't be dealt with independently(a lot of people think the reasons already argued about are good enough but I don't).

and please tell me of any other nation that has such a suicidal policy?

I'm not claiming xenophobia can only exist in the United States. A country that used to have nearly open borders is the United states before 1882(and the reason for the change was mostly xenophobia). If open borders was a suicidal policy then there should lots of examples of healthy nations failing because of a change to an open border policy. The Luxembourg example you dismissed is interesting because the population is small and shouldn't be able to absorb the impact of immigration as easy as a country the size of the United States(their "suicide" should be complete quickly if open borders were that bad).

[??????????]

Interestingly enough no one has of yet answered my question. Ebowed gave his typical BS tripe though.

[nlm]

Interestingly enough no one has of yet answered my question. Ebowed gave his typical BS tripe though.

I'll answer your question - we shouldn't have open boarders. It might be interesting to see somebody that thinks we should try and answer that question.

[Mesu]

Interestingly enough no one has of yet answered my question.

Read the post directly above your most recent one. I answered your question.

I'll answer your question - we shouldn't have open boarders. It might be interesting to see somebody that thinks we should try and answer that question.

Well it wasn't very interesting(since no one felt compelled to respond). Just a reasonable position based on a few things I consider important.

[phk]

No, too much immediate economic pain.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

Screw the economy. The economy should be the servant of the polity not the master.