Is the Christian Right comparable to Fundamentalist Islam?
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« Reply #100 on: January 18, 2008, 11:01:26 PM »

What about Matthew 19:12?
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« Reply #101 on: January 18, 2008, 11:34:34 PM »

What about it?
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« Reply #102 on: January 18, 2008, 11:53:50 PM »

This is such a vague question that it can hardly be answered.

Perhaps the situation each movement is largely embedded in makes them harder to compare... i.e. politically powerful and wealthy in a liberal democracy vs. generally poor with a few wealthy backers in countries with undeveloped legal institutions. 
Correct, thus making the question in the OP unanswerable.
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« Reply #103 on: January 19, 2008, 12:29:59 AM »


Do you think anyone ever practices what it preaches besides sex offenders who are forced to?
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« Reply #104 on: January 19, 2008, 09:02:24 AM »

Of course they are exactly the same, like all religious. 
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« Reply #105 on: January 21, 2008, 02:43:28 AM »

Thoughts of genital mutilation seems to kill threads. Hmmm....out of everything else.
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« Reply #106 on: January 21, 2008, 12:11:59 PM »

This is such a vague question that it can hardly be answered.

Perhaps the situation each movement is largely embedded in makes them harder to compare... i.e. politically powerful and wealthy in a liberal democracy vs. generally poor with a few wealthy backers in countries with undeveloped legal institutions. 

To ask whether things are comparable is sort of pointless to me. Is an apple and a whale comparable? Well, both exist in nature and are organic...it's the kind of question that needs a broader context if it is to make any sense.
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« Reply #107 on: January 21, 2008, 01:24:44 PM »

This is such a vague question that it can hardly be answered.

Perhaps the situation each movement is largely embedded in makes them harder to compare... i.e. politically powerful and wealthy in a liberal democracy vs. generally poor with a few wealthy backers in countries with undeveloped legal institutions. 

To ask whether things are comparable is sort of pointless to me. Is an apple and a whale comparable? Well, both exist in nature and are organic...it's the kind of question that needs a broader context if it is to make any sense.

I guess we could compare cellular and molecular structure Tongue
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« Reply #108 on: January 21, 2008, 04:49:49 PM »


Do you think anyone ever practices what it preaches besides sex offenders who are forced to?
I'm no authority on that general passage (which by its context could in itself answer your questions) but that specific verse is probably metaphoric.
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« Reply #109 on: January 21, 2008, 05:01:42 PM »

The Bible also says that if an eye offends you, you should pluck it out and who is to say that it is metaphorical or not.
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« Reply #110 on: January 21, 2008, 05:13:59 PM »

Absolutely.  Both of these groups have archaic views on a lot of issues, but they also believe that anyone who does not agree with them should be punished.  They are both terrible agents of intolerance.
As George H.W. Bush put it back in 1987, "Atheists should not be considered citizens or patriots." 

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« Reply #111 on: January 21, 2008, 06:59:50 PM »

Absolutely.  Both of these groups have archaic views on a lot of issues, but they also believe that anyone who does not agree with them should be punished.  They are both terrible agents of intolerance.
As George H.W. Bush put it back in 1987, "Atheists should not be considered citizens or patriots." 

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Not.

The comment was made in Chicago, in 1987, at a press conference.  It was made to reporter Robert Sherman of the monthly publication, Atheist News Journal.  It was noted at the time, published and never denied by the H.W. Bush administration.

The group American Atheists wrote to President Bush after his election and asked him to retract the statement.  In a published letter dated February 21st, 1989, C. Boyden Gray (General Counsel to the President) responded on White House letterhead stating that President Bush stood by his original comment and had no intention of backing away from it. In fact, two letters to this effect are on file at the Bush Presidential Library. The responses from the White House never deny, and in fact, affirm that President Bush made the remark.

It is, however, an urban legend that Sherman had a tape of the remark.  Sherman has never claimed having a tape and, in fact and to his credit, has been steadfast in trying to debunk the rumor that he taped the conversation.  As Sherman puts it, "I was a print journalist.  Like most print journalists of the period, I took careful notes."

The bottom line is that George H.W. Bush, his White House Counsel and the Bush Library have patently refused to DENY that then-Vice President ever made the comment.  A denial, given Sherman's lack of a tape, would be quite simple.

I'm perfectly willing to accept that Sherman fabricated it but I have seen no proof.  Indeed, the proof seems to be in Sherman's favor, in the form of the White House documents from Gray.

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