craig crawford gets it right!

[WalterMitty]

i couldnt have said it better.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/craig-crawford/media-gets-it-wrong-again_b_85235.html

[agcatter]

Except for the fact that Craig Crawford has been and continues to be himself a flak for the Clintons.

[Gabu]

This is basically one of those self-fulfilling prophecies: if you can convince enough people that Obama had a bad night, then he did.

[WalterMitty]

This is basically one of those self-fulfilling prophecies: if you can convince enough people that Obama had a bad night, then he did.

did you watch any of msnbc's coverage.  they were absolutely giddy for obama at the beginning of the night.  i dont know if they had bad exit polls or what, but they couldnt contain their excitement.

i had to turn it to cnn.  at least they attempt to be a little objective.

[exopolitician]

This is basically one of those self-fulfilling prophecies: if you can convince enough people that Obama had a bad night, then he did.

did you watch any of msnbc's coverage.  they were absolutely giddy for obama at the beginning of the night.  i dont know if they had bad exit polls or what, but they couldnt contain their excitement.

i had to turn it to cnn.  at least they attempt to be a little objective.

I watched MSNBC all night and saw nothing of this socalled "utter excitement over obama" the entire night. Quit trying to pin down the media being absolutely crazy over Obama when..for once when Obama has a significant accomplishment the media seems to pick up on it...and god forbid leave the Clintons out of the spotlight.

And fyi, Cris Matthews is probably further up Clinton's ass than Pat Buchannan actually is. So I dun wanna hear this "Obama admiration from Matthews" bs anymore.

[Gabu]

This is basically one of those self-fulfilling prophecies: if you can convince enough people that Obama had a bad night, then he did.

did you watch any of msnbc's coverage.  they were absolutely giddy for obama at the beginning of the night.  i dont know if they had bad exit polls or what, but they couldnt contain their excitement.

i had to turn it to cnn.  at least they attempt to be a little objective.

Totally irrelevant for the most part.  Whether or not someone had a bad night is entirely dependent on how people look at it and react to it.  So, if Craig here can convince enough people that Obama had a bad night, then he did.

From the looks of things, however, folks like him are not succeeding in doing so.

[Speed of Sound]

This is basically one of those self-fulfilling prophecies: if you can convince enough people that Obama had a bad night, then he did.

did you watch any of msnbc's coverage.  they were absolutely giddy for obama at the beginning of the night.  i dont know if they had bad exit polls or what, but they couldnt contain their excitement.

i had to turn it to cnn.  at least they attempt to be a little objective.

Totally irrelevant for the most part. 

This is often true for Walter when it becomes election time.

[HappyWarrior]

This is basically one of those self-fulfilling prophecies: if you can convince enough people that Obama had a bad night, then he did.

did you watch any of msnbc's coverage.  they were absolutely giddy for obama at the beginning of the night.  i dont know if they had bad exit polls or what, but they couldnt contain their excitement.

i had to turn it to cnn.  at least they attempt to be a little objective.

No CNN is just so pro-Clinton that a Clintonite thinks they are objective.

[WalterMitty]

This is basically one of those self-fulfilling prophecies: if you can convince enough people that Obama had a bad night, then he did.

did you watch any of msnbc's coverage.  they were absolutely giddy for obama at the beginning of the night.  i dont know if they had bad exit polls or what, but they couldnt contain their excitement.

i had to turn it to cnn.  at least they attempt to be a little objective.

No CNN is just so pro-Clinton that a Clintonite thinks they are objective.

david gergen was the only one on cnn on tuesday that seemed to be slightly pro-clinton.

[Angel of Death]

This is basically one of those self-fulfilling prophecies: if you can convince enough people that Obama had a bad night, then he did.

did you watch any of msnbc's coverage.  they were absolutely giddy for obama at the beginning of the night.  i dont know if they had bad exit polls or what, but they couldnt contain their excitement.

i had to turn it to cnn.  at least they attempt to be a little objective.

No CNN is just so pro-Clinton that a Clintonite thinks they are objective.

david gergen was the only one on cnn on tuesday that seemed to be slightly pro-clinton.

Hello??? Paul Begala, by any chance? He still is as clueless as at the legendary Jon Stewart appearance on Crossfire.

[WalterMitty]

This is basically one of those self-fulfilling prophecies: if you can convince enough people that Obama had a bad night, then he did.

did you watch any of msnbc's coverage.  they were absolutely giddy for obama at the beginning of the night.  i dont know if they had bad exit polls or what, but they couldnt contain their excitement.

i had to turn it to cnn.  at least they attempt to be a little objective.

No CNN is just so pro-Clinton that a Clintonite thinks they are objective.

david gergen was the only one on cnn on tuesday that seemed to be slightly pro-clinton.

Hello??? Paul Begala, by any chance? He still is as clueless as at the legendary Jon Stewart appearance on Crossfire.

of course begala, but he comes with a disclaimer that he is a hillary supporter.  just like bill bennet comes with a disclaimer that he has donated money to both mccain and romney.

[agcatter]

Gergen has always been so far up both Clintons asses he needs a flashlight to find his way out.  He makes you want to puke it's so obvious.  They don't call it the Clinton News Network for nothing.

[exopolitician]

CNN is crap, and I dont like any of their commentators. All news stations are sh!t currently for having different delegate counts on each station...every news station does their own thing...FOX is pro-right and CNN is poser/pro-left.

[J. J.]

And fyi, Cris Matthews is probably further up Clinton's ass than Pat Buchannan actually is. So I dun wanna hear this "Obama admiration from Matthews" bs anymore.

Then I would suggest you watch Fox or CNN. 

I have not that high enthusiasm since my last Donna Summer concert.

Obama lost on Super Tuesday the same way McCellan lost Antietam; he had a chance to knock Clinton out and he failed, badly (much worse than McCellan).  He barely had a net gain of delegates at the end of the night, and neither is that much closer to the nomination than they were before.

[exopolitician]

And fyi, Cris Matthews is probably further up Clinton's ass than Pat Buchannan actually is. So I dun wanna hear this "Obama admiration from Matthews" bs anymore.

Then I would suggest you watch Fox or CNN. 

I have not that high enthusiasm since my last Donna Summer concert.

Obama lost on Super Tuesday the same way McCellan lost Antietam; he had a chance to knock Clinton out and he failed, badly (much worse than McCellan).  He barely had a net gain of delegates at the end of the night, and neither is that much closer to the nomination than they were before.

Yeah lets go from one decent media outlet to the two worst in American Programming. MSNBC has a couple nutjobs on it....but its still decent and as a whole has no favorability or unfavorability towards one candidate or another.

And im sticking by Super Tuesday as a tie, there are plenty more chances for Obama to knock out Clinton. Clinton got California [that could have gone any direction but favored] and Mass [an assured win whether you like it or not], New Jersey and a couple other expectants. Obama won Deleware, Connecticut, Minnesota[favored Clinton], Alabama [favored Clinton], Missouri [barely but favored Clinton] and Utah [which for awhile favoried Clinton but was an apparent Obama victory anyways.] They both did well...and remain close in the delegate count. Months before Clinton was expected to blow Obama out of the water on Super Tuesday. Did she? No...and Obama had higher expectations with the prospects of possibly winning California and Mass. Did he? No....thus a strong and decent showing on both sides. A tie. End.

[Flying Dog]

And fyi, Cris Matthews is probably further up Clinton's ass than Pat Buchannan actually is. So I dun wanna hear this "Obama admiration from Matthews" bs anymore.

Then I would suggest you watch Fox or CNN. 

I have not that high enthusiasm since my last Donna Summer concert.

Obama lost on Super Tuesday the same way McCellan lost Antietam; he had a chance to knock Clinton out and he failed, badly (much worse than McCellan).  He barely had a net gain of delegates at the end of the night, and neither is that much closer to the nomination than they were before.

I'm dizzy from all that spinning. Woa!

[MarkWarner08]

Clinton lost on Super Tuesday the same way McCellan lost Antietam; he had a chance to knock Obama out and he failed, badly (much worse than McCellan).  She barely had a net gain of delegates at the end of the night, and neither is that much closer to the nomination than they were before.

With some minor revisions, I found your paragraph to be quite cogent.

Mark Penn spent months arguing that ST would be the day the Democratic race would be over. Clinton strongholds of NY, MA, NJ, and CA would all outvote Obama's sole outpost of IL and Hilldawg would clinch the nomination with a draw in the smaller states. Alas this didn't occur, but now the Clinton folks are furiously spinning that the last two days of MSM Obama hype should outweigh the hyped Clinton inevitability aura.

This myopic view ignores Obama's near sweep of the true swing states (MO, CT, DE, NM) and his incredible gains in the white vote and his strong margin among men. If voting pattern continue, Obama will lead in delegates before Mar. 4th, a stunning turnaround from the post-NV  and pre-SC view of his candidacy.

[Democratic Hawk]

It was a draw, it's as simple as that. In all seriousness, I wasn't expecting Obama to knock Hillary out. I thought it highly unlikely he'd win MA, despite the Ted Kennedy endorsement

California was disappointing but, given its demographics, Obama winning it was always going to be tall order

In no state, other than Arkansas or Oklahoma, did Obama poll abysmally relative to Hillary. That, in itself, is an achievement

Looking at early returns in TN, NJ and MO, I thought it was going to be a terrible night for Obama. TN would have been closer if not for a poor turnout in Shelby County due to pretty appalling weather. I was happy to see him break 40%, and he came pretty close to doing that in NY

Furthermore, I never thought for one minute that he'd do as well as he did GA and AL to the extent that he did; while in caucus states he as good as routed Hillary

Dave

[Gabu]

And fyi, Cris Matthews is probably further up Clinton's ass than Pat Buchannan actually is. So I dun wanna hear this "Obama admiration from Matthews" bs anymore.

Then I would suggest you watch Fox or CNN. 

I have not that high enthusiasm since my last Donna Summer concert.

Obama lost on Super Tuesday the same way McCellan lost Antietam; he had a chance to knock Clinton out and he failed, badly (much worse than McCellan).  He barely had a net gain of delegates at the end of the night, and neither is that much closer to the nomination than they were before.

I think it would be rather easy to also say that Clinton had a chance to knock Obama out and failed badly, too.

[J. J.]

And fyi, Cris Matthews is probably further up Clinton's ass than Pat Buchannan actually is. So I dun wanna hear this "Obama admiration from Matthews" bs anymore.

Then I would suggest you watch Fox or CNN. 

I have not that high enthusiasm since my last Donna Summer concert.

Obama lost on Super Tuesday the same way McCellan lost Antietam; he had a chance to knock Clinton out and he failed, badly (much worse than McCellan).  He barely had a net gain of delegates at the end of the night, and neither is that much closer to the nomination than they were before.

I think it would be rather easy to also say that Clinton had a chance to knock Obama out and failed badly, too.

No, not in a caucus like Iowa.  Remember the "Obama will break 40%" hype here just before NH.  At least one voice of reason said it wouldn't happen.  After that, with FL off the table, her only real chance was SC, with it's large Black population.  That was foreseen as an Obama victory, no matter what.

[exopolitician]

And fyi, Cris Matthews is probably further up Clinton's ass than Pat Buchannan actually is. So I dun wanna hear this "Obama admiration from Matthews" bs anymore.

Then I would suggest you watch Fox or CNN. 

I have not that high enthusiasm since my last Donna Summer concert.

Obama lost on Super Tuesday the same way McCellan lost Antietam; he had a chance to knock Clinton out and he failed, badly (much worse than McCellan).  He barely had a net gain of delegates at the end of the night, and neither is that much closer to the nomination than they were before.

I think it would be rather easy to also say that Clinton had a chance to knock Obama out and failed badly, too.

No, not in a caucus like Iowa.  Remember the "Obama will break 40%" hype here just before NH.  At least one voice of reason said it wouldn't happen.  After that, with FL off the table, her only real chance was SC, with it's large Black population.  That was foreseen as an Obama victory, no matter what.

Yet here we are with a tie, and more momentum towards Obama than ever before in this campaign. Hes got a bigger cash advantage than her and more states [and I guess a slim lead in pledged delegates tho every website I go to it has different stats]. Just face it....at the beginning it was thought the Democratic Nomination would be a cakewalk and be over and done with by Feb 5th. Now its even more competitive than it was before. Its the total opposite of what was thought would happen.

[Gabu]

No, not in a caucus like Iowa.  Remember the "Obama will break 40%" hype here just before NH.  At least one voice of reason said it wouldn't happen.  After that, with FL off the table, her only real chance was SC, with it's large Black population.  That was foreseen as an Obama victory, no matter what.

Iowa?  I was talking about Super Tuesday.  After Hillary won New Hampshire, a lot of people said that she had regained her stride and was now well on the road to winning the nomination again.  Had Hillary done better in Super Tuesday, she could have regained her status as the presumptive nominee.  She did not, and Obama is still in the lead as far as delegates go.  For Obama to still be in this to win after Super Tuesday is a rather strong change from talk of Hillary's nomination being all but inevitable.

This campaign has actually been very interesting in that every single time there's something that a candidate absolutely must do to salvage that candidate's campaign, it happens.  Obama had to win Iowa.  He did.  Then Hillary had to win New Hampshire.  She did.  Then Obama had to get a convincing win in South Carolina.  He did.  Now Super Tuesday is done, and it was as much an absolute tie as you could hope, with Clinton winning the popular vote by less than a percent and Obama winning the delegate count by single digits.

I think it's really hard to look at all that and come away with the impression that someone actually won.  Both candidates had the chance to put the other away for good on Super Tuesday.  Both failed to do so.

[Kalimantan]

No, not in a caucus like Iowa.  Remember the "Obama will break 40%" hype here just before NH.  At least one voice of reason said it wouldn't happen.  After that, with FL off the table, her only real chance was SC, with it's large Black population.  That was foreseen as an Obama victory, no matter what.

Iowa?  I was talking about Super Tuesday.  After Hillary won New Hampshire, a lot of people said that she had regained her stride and was now well on the road to winning the nomination again.  Had Hillary done better in Super Tuesday, she could have regained her status as the presumptive nominee.  She did not, and Obama is still in the lead as far as delegates go.  For Obama to still be in this to win after Super Tuesday is a rather strong change from talk of Hillary's nomination being all but inevitable.

This campaign has actually been very interesting in that every single time there's something that a candidate absolutely must do to salvage that candidate's campaign, it happens.  Obama had to win Iowa.  He did.  Then Hillary had to win New Hampshire.  She did.  Then Obama had to get a convincing win in South Carolina.  He did.  Now Super Tuesday is done, and it was as much an absolute tie as you could hope, with Clinton winning the popular vote by less than a percent and Obama winning the delegate count by single digits.

I think it's really hard to look at all that and come away with the impression that someone actually won.  Both candidates had the chance to put the other away for good on Super Tuesday.  Both failed to do so.

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