Curious - what is a "zombie"

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

I know Earl. He posts here, in Atlasia, and that's why I joined. He is in the LNF, and that's why I joined the LNF.

Rubyug knows me. I post here in Atlasia, and asked him to join. I also asked him to join the LNF.

Apparently, he is my zombie, but I am not Earl's zombie (in all honestly, I'd rather be Xahar's zombie anyway )

I had this convo with antonio (who gave me permission to reprint)

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Then, this was said

Not convinced that insantly accusing every new poster of being a zombie is all that helpful.

Not that I'm trying to be rude, but, that's exactly what DWTL said. So I guess it's only defensible when the LNF does it.

Rather than apply to have Rubyug removed as my Zombie, I would like to apply to officially be Xahar's Zombie

[minionofmidas]

"Zombie" is an insult. A lot of the time, people know a zombie when they see one. Other times though, there's a vast gray area. There's also the further - and exceedingly important though some will tell you otherwise - distinction between a poster who posts regularly elsewhere on the Forum but only comes to Atlasia to vote - an Atlasia-specific zombie if you will. Though of course noone can know whether some of them don't lurk in Atlasia - and people recruited elsewhere on the internet who occasionally spam the board to fulfill the minimum activity requirements but are otherwise complete zombies. Everyone except the people who get their votes agrees the second type is poisonous... though even this type can evolve into useful contributing members.

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

"Zombie" is an insult. A lot of the time, people know a zombie when they see one. Other times though, there's a vast gray area. There's also the further - and exceedingly important though some will tell you otherwise - distinction between a poster who posts regularly elsewhere on the Forum but only comes to Atlasia to vote - an Atlasia-specific zombie if you will. Though of course noone can know whether some of them don't lurk in Atlasia - and people recruited elsewhere on the internet who occasionally spam the board to fulfill the minimum activity requirements but are otherwise complete zombies. Everyone except the people who get their votes agrees the second type is poisonous... though even this type can evolve into useful contributing members.

How about the implication that its fine to accuse newbies of this, or, better yet, that its fine to accuse people - IE make them feel unwelcome, IE tell them they are not wanted here - let me do that again; what about this idea that those who join the Atlas just to play Atlasia, because the game sounds good and interesting, no, let me start again
ahem
So, why is it wrong for people to think the game is so cool that they sign up to the Atlas, just to play Atlasia?

[minionofmidas]

Because that's not what Atlasia was conceived to be for. Now, as to playing Atlasia as an additional - even a main - reason for signing up, that's something completely different. (You, for example, registered in Atlasia very quickly but also posted thoughtful stuff elsewhere on the forum at the same time. That's a good example of what's perfectly fine, really.)
This "making feel unwelcome" thingy has crept in as a result of a certain party's recruiting getting seriously ridiculous for a time. And it probably needs to stop. It's definitely not a good idea.

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

Because that's not what Atlasia was conceived to be for. Now, as to playing Atlasia as an additional - even a main - reason for signing up, that's something completely different. (You, for example, registered in Atlasia very quickly but also posted thoughtful stuff elsewhere on the forum at the same time. That's a good example of what's perfectly fine, really.)
This "making feel unwelcome" thingy has crept in as a result of a certain party's recruiting getting seriously ridiculous for a time. And it probably needs to stop. It's definitely not a good idea.

hum.
I had not considered this.
I've played about two dozen political sims, but none of them had been attached to a forum. I apologize if I have been wrong with regards to this.

[bgwah]

The LNF prides itself in not taking part in certain activities. They're quick to chastise other parties for what they deem to be inappropriate behavior. But of course they go ahead and do these same things anyway, leading the rest of us to just roll our eyes.

Leipist National Fraud is more like it.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

This whole thread deserved to be put on the comedy goldmine!

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

This whole thread deserved to be put on the comedy goldmine!

I agree!
I love being the centre of a conspiracy I single-handedly engineered to support a party I've been actively supporting for one week.

I never realized people would be so afraid of me

[Brandon H]

It's ok when a minimally active person joins your party, but it's wrong when they join someone else's party.

[Hatman 🍁]

The LNF prides itself in not taking part in certain activities. They're quick to chastise other parties for what they deem to be inappropriate behavior.

Prove it. I for one have done no such thing!

[Sbane]

The LNF prides itself in not taking part in certain activities. They're quick to chastise other parties for what they deem to be inappropriate behavior. But of course they go ahead and do these same things anyway, leading the rest of us to just roll our eyes.

Leipist National Fraud is more like it.

Like what?

[minionofmidas]

The LNF prides itself in not taking part in certain activities. They're quick to chastise other parties for what they deem to be inappropriate behavior.

Prove it. I for one have done no such thing!

Uh, what? You recruited two people. (One of them has since recruited someone else.)

They're active, and cool, so I've got no problem with it. But I would expect uncool people who only want uncool people recruited to have a problem with it.

Leipist National Fraud is more like it.

Actually, the hidden meaning of LNF is Loveable Neo-Fascists.

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

I'm going to have to agree with Lewis, partly. For one, I am a zombie, because I approached earl and asked him if I could join Atlasia, and he said yes. That kind of crime is unacceptable in a place like this, and for that Earl needs to be punished.

[minionofmidas]

Lol. Punished? Nothing illegal about it. -_-

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

Lol. Punished? Nothing illegal about it. -_-

It should be!
Earl should be banned!
And I should be banned for not only recruiting Rubyug, but for trying to recruit Yelnoc, who I hope to be all set to go in about 2 days! Not only that, but for planning to talk to some of my friends who played the political sim I made, and ask if they want to come on over as well; for crimes such as that, I should be perma banned, not just from Atlasia, or the Atlas, but from all political forms!

[Antonio the Sixth]

An user who has been recruited is not necessarily a zombie, please stop confusing these two things. I was recruited by Bgwah, but I'm not a zombie at all.

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

An user who has been recruited is not necessarily a zombie, please stop confusing these two things. I was recruited by Bgwah, but I'm not a zombie at all.

But when both Rubyug and I joined, we had very few posts! Therefore we are zombies!!!

[Antonio the Sixth]

An user who has been recruited is not necessarily a zombie, please stop confusing these two things. I was recruited by Bgwah, but I'm not a zombie at all.

But when both Rubyug and I joined, we had very few posts! Therefore we are zombies!!!

The important is not what you have done before being recruited, but what you do after.

[minionofmidas]

You forgot to mention that being alive is a political act, so you should be banned from that too.
[/sarcasm]

Yes, obviously Antonio is right. Slightly besides the point, which was the bitching in the register thread, but right. Except we look down on people who put Atlasia over everything else on here, too. (Btw, Antonio. You irked me when you did just that in the "Verily missing" thread recently. )

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

An user who has been recruited is not necessarily a zombie, please stop confusing these two things. I was recruited by Bgwah, but I'm not a zombie at all.

But when both Rubyug and I joined, we had very few posts! Therefore we are zombies!!!

The important is not what you have done before being recruited, but what you do after.

STOP YOUR LIES YOU ARE WRONG

In fact, I can PROVE you are wrong. Read these:
This is from a former PRESIDENT

The LNF prides itself in not taking part in certain activities. They're quick to chastise other parties for what they deem to be inappropriate behavior. But of course they go ahead and do these same things anyway, leading the rest of us to just roll our eyes.

Leipist National Fraud is more like it.

This quote my the man who was almost president

    I'm not sure he got to be President by being really vindictive.

suggests that presidents are good people.
Ergo, the above, suggests that rubyug is my zombie. (I reference "Certain Activities")

I wish to at this time note, that it is my belief, that when I registered, I did not have 50 posts, or perhaps even 25. I also know that save for one or two crap posts, I only made one post between my registration and my vote, and that was one post asking when I vote.

Ergo, is Rubyug (who has at least a half dozen posts here) was a zombie at the time, I certainly was a zombie at the time, given that I voted before participating.

Here's another quote

It's ok when a minimally active person joins your party, but it's wrong when they join someone else's party.

I think this guy is either a President or a runner up, again someone in high prestige. He is suggesting, though his comments, that zombieism is 'bad'. Again, I reference the earlier point I made about being a zombie.

Then there is this

Now we are officially the only party not recruiting zombies.

Here we have another former president weighing in

Not convinced that insantly accusing every new poster of being a zombie is all that helpful.

He says the same type of things you say

Now look at the responses to that.

Not convinced that insantly accusing every new poster of being a zombie is all that helpful.

Not that I'm trying to be rude, but, that's exactly what DWTL said. So I guess it's only defensible when the LNF does it.

Not convinced that insantly accusing every new poster of being a zombie is all that helpful.

Not that I'm trying to be rude, but, that's exactly what DWTL said. So I guess it's only defensible when the LNF does it.

Well you have already shown that its only defensible when the JCP does it, so I agree Marokai.

Not convinced that insantly accusing every new poster of being a zombie is all that helpful.

Not that I'm trying to be rude, but, that's exactly what DWTL said. So I guess it's only defensible when the LNF does it.

My name is Teddy
LNF = Teddy + Others
LNF =/= Teddy

He was defending it.

Look, I'm not trying to be an ass to anyone here, but it always seems like everyone pretends to be innocent until they get a recruit and then they make some flimsy excuse to defend him. The same thing happened when Hamilton, who several LNF members sparred with beforehand, suddenly joined the LNF, then he suddenly stops being a lying manipulative powermonger, and turns into a model citizen.

If another member with posts in the single-digits joined the JCP or the PCP/RPP everyone would be up in arms bitching at us for recruiting zombies.

Then there was this

Not convinced that insantly accusing every new poster of being a zombie is all that helpful.

Not that I'm trying to be rude, but, that's exactly what DWTL said. So I guess it's only defensible when the LNF does it.

My name is Teddy
LNF = Teddy + Others
LNF =/= Teddy

He was defending it.

Look, I'm not trying to be an ass to anyone here, but it always seems like everyone pretends to be innocent until they get a recruit and then they make some flimsy excuse to defend him. The same thing happened when Hamilton, who several LNF members sparred with beforehand, suddenly joined the LNF, then he suddenly stops being a lying manipulative powermonger, and turns into a model citizen.

If another member with posts in the single-digits joined the JCP or the PCP/RPP everyone would be up in arms bitching at us for recruiting zombies.

Dead on. But that is the treatment I've come to expect around here. Anyone with a low post count, whether zombie or not, is heavily scrutinized by everyone if they join the PCP and, to a lesser extent, the JCP. I'm surprised Hamilton hasn't started recruiting for the NLF, but I will not be surprised to see them defend his practices, after, only a few weeks ago, attacking the PCP for the same thing.

At this point I stepped in with this suggestion


CUT CUT CUT POST TOO LONG CUT CUT CUT

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

CUT CUT CUT POST TOO LONG CUT CUT CUT

Not convinced that insantly accusing every new poster of being a zombie is all that helpful.

Not that I'm trying to be rude, but, that's exactly what DWTL said. So I guess it's only defensible when the LNF does it.

My name is Teddy
LNF = Teddy + Others
LNF =/= Teddy

He was defending it.

Look, I'm not trying to be an ass to anyone here, but it always seems like everyone pretends to be innocent until they get a recruit and then they make some flimsy excuse to defend him. The same thing happened when Hamilton, who several LNF members sparred with beforehand, suddenly joined the LNF, then he suddenly stops being a lying manipulative powermonger, and turns into a model citizen.

If another member with posts in the single-digits joined the JCP or the PCP/RPP everyone would be up in arms bitching at us for recruiting zombies.

Dead on. But that is the treatment I've come to expect around here. Anyone with a low post count, whether zombie or not, is heavily scrutinized by everyone if they join the PCP and, to a lesser extent, the JCP. I'm surprised Hamilton hasn't started recruiting for the NLF, but I will not be surprised to see them defend his practices, after, only a few weeks ago, attacking the PCP for the same thing.

That might be the treatment at this time, but should it be? does it have to be?

I propose reforming the system. The reform would be that you just don't call someone a zombie, at least, not in this thread.

I'll be the first to sign up for that.

This was ignored by everyone. This means, quite simply, that people wish for this to continue.



To review:
Being a Zombie is bad.
Accusing randoms of being Zombies is not a defensible action, and therefore, must be good.
No one wants to change this.

But lets continue shall we

Not convinced that insantly accusing every new poster of being a zombie is all that helpful.

Not that I'm trying to be rude, but, that's exactly what DWTL said. So I guess it's only defensible when the LNF does it.

So we must consider every new poster a "zombie" or we're hypocrites? Besides, the issue with Fluffy (and Hamilton, of course) was the recruiting of large numbers of people in places where their votes would help the RPP-PCP the most - people who, for the most part, have tended to have had no involvement in fantasyland other than voting party line RPP-JCP come election. Paranoia in those cases was the result of experience and was (and is) justified.
I've never been a much of a fan of recruiting people from offsite (which is why I've never done it), btw, but I think that would be a seperate complaint from "zombie alert!!!!!".

As far as the general issue of LNF members supporting or doing anything, the LNF's structure is so decentralised that there's little in the way of collective responsibility - which, btw, also means that there can be little in the way of collective blame.

After this, interest in the issue died down

So, I present to you evidence that

A - you are wrong
B - I was a zombie when I signed up

I also argue that...

To have such an incredibly strong and horrendous reaction as we've seen is not something to be taken lightly. That this reaction must be the sign of something huge, something major, something not to be ignored. That said reaction by inference suggests that anyone who is a zombie, is a zombie, no if's and's or but's. With that in mind, it therefore, must be impossible to stop being a zombie.

Ergo, I argue that I still am a zombie, and that your proposition that I've since become useful is not worth the weight of argument, as rubyug will become just as useful as I am, but I do not expect any of the above to line up to apologize.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Expecting someone to actually respond to that little freakout might disappoint you, Teddy.