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12th Doctor
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« on: February 13, 2005, 09:07:55 PM »

Fellow citizens.  I have decided to challenge the ruling of the Supreme Court based on two arguments, which I will present for you.  First, however, I would like to say that I recongnize the futility of this act.  I will only be appealing to the same body that, just two days ago ruled against me.  But, for anyone who has ever seen "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" it is well known that the lost causes are the only ones that are truely worth fighting for.

My first argument is basic.  I can find several examples on this thread https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=15608.0 where John Dibble arguees vehemently against my bill.  I, therefore, call into question his ability to judge this case fairly and without bias.  I do not call into question his integrity.  I believe he is a good man.  I do think that this is grounds to believe that John Dibble may, indeed, be only human and thus this circumstance call for a mistrial.

My second argument is philosophical.  The Preamble to the Constitution tells us:

Preamble

We the people of the United States Election Atlas Forum, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, support equality for all forum members, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States Election Atlas Forum.

I have pointed this out in the past, and it has been said that this clause only tells us why the Constituion was established.  It does not tell us what the Constitution acctually says about the "Common Good", not does it state the the Constitution is to provide for such.  Rather, the government is restricted to what is stated in the Federal Powers Amendment in which the "Common Good" is not mentioned.

My friends, we Senators were elected by the peopel of this great nation to represent their interests.  In an ideal situation, the will of the government represents the will of the people.

We also hold to our oaths to up hold the Constitution.  The Constitution grants us a frame work for our government from which our government must opporate. 

The Constitution is not an all seeing all being document, independent of review by the people.  Indeed, the Constitution begins with those blessed words, "WE THE PEOPLE".  The Constitution, not only represents the will of the people, it is of the people. 

The people saw it fit to provide for the general welfare.

Similarly, the government is not ruled over by the Constitution.  The government is of the Contitution, because with out it, there would be no higher principle from which to govern.

The government makes law that applies to all people, because, in Democratic government, the government the people are of the government.

In Democracy, all of the parts that make the nation are of one another.  They are not mutually exclusive to one another.  And all things exist because of the will of the people.  Clearly the Constitution is the will of the people and the people willed that, in such a government, the general welfare be provided for by the People, through the Constitution from the government.

If we are saying that my bill is unconstitutional, then we are claiming that all which is important in Democratic government is meaningless... the will of the people, the constituion and even the government, because we refuse to agknowledge the fundamental link that they all share.

I'm an idealist, and proud off it, because I believe that deep down, this is an idealist world created by an idealistic God.  I know others don;t share this view, but I hope that they can understand my perspective and join me in this fight.  God Bless you all.
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« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2005, 09:12:56 PM »

This is the most ridiculous post in the history of the Atlasian Fantasy Forum.
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« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2005, 09:22:08 PM »

The Court dismisses this case based on it's frivolity.

1)  Your point regarding Justice Dibble may have some merit, but if you believed him to have behaved improperly, impeachment is the correct course of action.  The court cannot and will not decide whether or not one of it's members acted improperly, due to a major conflict of interest.

2)  Your attempt to overturn the ruling based on constitutional arguments is frivolous.  The court is obviously not going to overturn a ruling we made just yesterday, and it is a waste of this court's time to hear a case we have already decided no less than 48 hours ago.
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« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2005, 09:26:54 PM »

The Court dismisses this case based on it's frivolity.

1)  Your point regarding Justice Dibble may have some merit, but if you believed him to have behaved improperly, impeachment is the correct course of action.  The court cannot and will not decide whether or not one of it's members acted improperly, due to a major conflict of interest.

2)  Your attempt to overturn the ruling based on constitutional arguments is frivolous.  The court is obviously not going to overturn a ruling we made just yesterday, and it is a waste of this court's time to hear a case we have already decided no less than 48 hours ago.
I agree.
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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2005, 09:30:35 PM »
« Edited: February 13, 2005, 09:38:30 PM by Senator Supersoulty »

I expected nothing else.  I have made my case.  It is up to the people to decide whether I am right or not, not the the Justices.  I have made my piece.
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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2005, 09:31:46 PM »

The Court dismisses this case based on it's frivolity.

1)  Your point regarding Justice Dibble may have some merit, but if you believed him to have behaved improperly, impeachment is the correct course of action.  The court cannot and will not decide whether or not one of it's members acted improperly, due to a major conflict of interest.

2)  Your attempt to overturn the ruling based on constitutional arguments is frivolous.  The court is obviously not going to overturn a ruling we made just yesterday, and it is a waste of this court's time to hear a case we have already decided no less than 48 hours ago.
I agree.

1. I won't agree or disagree on this one since I'm the subject in question.

2. Agree.
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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2005, 09:47:59 PM »

The preamble was modified by the Civil Liberties Amendment and effectively removed the power to promote the general welfare. The power to promote the general welfare was not returned to the Senate by the Powers Amendment. Therefore the federal government does not have the power to promote the general welfare.
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« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2005, 09:51:04 PM »

The preamble was modified by the Civil Liberties Amendment and effectively removed the power to promote the general welfare. The power to promote the general welfare was not returned to the Senate by the Powers Amendment. Therefore the federal government does not have the power to promote the general welfare.

Scwer that, I don't give a damn!  I know what the Preamble says and I damn well know what we meant when we passed the thing.
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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2005, 10:00:30 PM »

Then work to get what you meant explicitly into the new constitution instead of carping about what you thought the current one implied.
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