SENATE BILL: Ratification Decentralization Amendment (At Final Vote)

[Marokai Backbeat]

What if 3/5 regions pass one amendment, then later on 4/5 regions pass a similar amendment that is "better", and then a fourth region later ratifies the first amendment? What happens then?

"Better" is subjective, is it not? I don't see why we have any right to determine what hypothetical Amendments are better than what under a system that doesn't exist yet. This is a weird and convoluted what if scenario that would probably be years in the making and that I'd be willing to bet all my possessions on literally never happens. If you like, we could make a region's ratification only valid for a year to bring the likelihood of that happening down from .8% to .4%. It is, regardless, a peculiarly specific reason to oppose this.

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Sure, a region can ratify, re-ratify, reject, rescind ratification, or whatever they want, up until the benchmark for ratification is reached. That only seems sensible.

[Napoleon]

What if 3/5 regions pass one amendment, then later on 4/5 regions pass a similar amendment that is "better", and then a fourth region later ratifies the first amendment? What happens then?

"Better" is subjective, is it not? I don't see why we have any right to determine what hypothetical Amendments are better than what under a system that doesn't exist yet. This is a weird and convoluted what if scenario that would probably be years in the making and that I'd be willing to bet all my possessions on literally never happens. If you like, we could make a region's ratification only valid for a year to bring the likelihood of that happening down from .8% to .4%. It is, regardless, a peculiarly specific reason to oppose this.

Its a question, not a reason to oppose this. You act like we've never had trolls before, or that a regional legislature like the Northeast's where everyone is a first-termer will know whether or not something already passed.

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Sure, a region can ratify, re-ratify, reject, rescind ratification, or whatever they want, up until the benchmark for ratification is reached. That only seems sensible.
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Ok, well, I'm going to keep thinking about it. If I come up with any more questions, I hope you can answer them with less of an attitude.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Its a question, not a reason to oppose this. You act like we've never had trolls before, or that a regional legislature like the Northeast's where everyone is a first-termer will know whether or not something already passed.

I would imagine at some point during the debate process there would be a means of preventing that from happening, whether that be someone popping into the debate to inform them if they're innocently ignorant of what happened, or another region could rescind ratification. We could include a "buffer" of time before a ratification goes into effect, just in case another region wants to react to it. Again, though, I feel like these are all safeguards for something so incredibly specific that the chances of it happening at all are years down the road and astronomically small.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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(Nix, follow procedure next time.. )
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Speaking of which, isn't that vote a little late?

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

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It is never too late!

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[Kaine for Senate '18]

Nay

[CLARENCE 2015!]

Nay

[Napoleon]

Nay

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Nay

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

NAY!!!


This vote can be ended at any time now.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

The amendment fails with 6 nays and 0 ayes. Debates continues, my friends.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Is this done? If so, then Duke should open a final vote here.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

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Senators, please vote aye, nay or abstain on this bill.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Reposted without the stricken text.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Aye

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Aye guess

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Aye

[HagridOfTheDeep]

Aye

[Sbane]

Aye

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

AYE!!!

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Duke, you can send this to the Regions at any time.


Be sure to notify the Regional Execs about its passage. My preferred method is an impossible to not notice thread. Though you have discretion as to the method of choice.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

This has enough votes to pass, 7-0.

[Napoleon]

Abstain, ftr. Damn chorus of Ayes ending the vote early than I hoped.