Does an "accidental President"'s elected term count as their second term?
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« on: March 30, 2013, 04:39:41 PM »
« edited: March 30, 2013, 04:42:25 PM by DevotedDemocrat »

Take the case of Truman or LBJ. Both became President upon the deaths of the Presidents they were elected as Vice President to, and both were elected or affirmed by the public as President in the next election year.

Does their elected term (1949-1953 for Truman; 1965-1969 for Johnson) count as a "second term"?

Would the period where they served out the rest of their predecessor's term (1945-1949 for Truman; 1963-1965 for LBJ) be considered their first term?

Would Truman and Johnson be considered two term Presidents? I'm not just talking about them but using them as examples for any similar case....

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« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2013, 04:43:58 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2013, 04:53:34 PM »

You mean with regard to the 22nd Amendment? An "accidental" term counts as the first term if it has lasted for more than 2 years. Which means Truman's would have counted (though it actually doesn't because the Amendment was ratified after the fact), but Johnson's wouldn't.
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« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2013, 04:58:02 PM »

You mean with regard to the 22nd Amendment? An "accidental" term counts as the first term if it has lasted for more than 2 years. Which means Truman's would have counted (though it actually doesn't because the Amendment was ratified after the fact), but Johnson's wouldn't.

Just in general, not with regard to the Second Amendment.

I consider their time as President prior to being elected to be their first term. Some of their major accomplishments were accomplished within the period prior to to their own election as President. I look at the election of an "accidental" President as being different from a typical election, in that, if the public elects the sitting accidental President, they are more affirming that this is their President, this is who the public wants to continue for at least the next four years.

If an accidental President's first term cannot be counted as such, then how can we say Gerald Ford (who was neither elected Vice President nor affirmed as President) was actually President and served a term?

That is why I tend to call Truman and Johnson's elected terms their second terms. The public wanted them to continue....
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« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2013, 05:12:56 PM »

I agree, yeah, I'd also start numbering terms when a President takes office.
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