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« on: February 15, 2005, 03:32:01 PM »

Allow me to make a (for right-wingers possibly outrageous) question:

CUI BONO?

I doubt in the current circumstances Syria would top the list.
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« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2005, 12:01:10 PM »

Syria's, or at least that was there intention. Hariri had recently become a leader of a coalition of Christians, Druzes, and independent minded Sunnis (and even a few Shi'a) opposed to the continued Syrian-Hezbollah occupation of the captive state of Lebanon, the last puppet state in the world. However, the murderous NixonNow may well have overplayed his hand, as hundreds of thousands of Lebanese, backed strongly by the both the USA and France (Hariri and Chirac were very close) are beginning to get behind demands that the real Middle East occupation come to a close. Lebanon may well soon regain its place as a true Arab democracy and continue the fall of the forced of tyranny and terrorism in the heartland of ancient civilization.
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« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2005, 11:57:56 AM »

Thanks for proving that all those outside of Lebanon who supposedly care about the Syrian presence there just want to draw away attention from the Israeli occupation. At least the Syrians aren't slowly ethnically cleansing where they are.
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« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2005, 11:46:11 PM »

my money's on Hezbollah.
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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2005, 05:01:20 PM »

Thanks for proving that all those outside of Lebanon who supposedly care about the Syrian presence there just want to draw away attention from the Israeli occupation. At least the Syrians aren't slowly ethnically cleansing where they are.

Now, to refresh, what I said was:

Syria's, or at least that was there intention. Hariri had recently become a leader of a coalition of Christians, Druzes, and independent minded Sunnis (and even a few Shi'a) opposed to the continued Syrian-Hezbollah occupation of the captive state of Lebanon, the last puppet state in the world. However, the murderous NixonNow may well have overplayed his hand, as hundreds of thousands of Lebanese, backed strongly by the both the USA and France (Hariri and Chirac were very close) are beginning to get behind demands that the real Middle East occupation come to a close. Lebanon may well soon regain its place as a true Arab democracy and continue the fall of the forces of tyranny and terrorism in the heartland of ancient civilization.

In other words, support for an indepent and democratic Lebanon is somehow an attempt to "draw away attention" from Israel. Well, by those standards it could be argued that so is social security reform or the EU constitution. One will note I did not mention the words Israel, Palestine, or anything else about Lebanon's neighbors to the south. Angel's reaction says a lot more about him then about me.

And then, we are told that "at least the Syrians aren't slowly ethnically cleansing where they are", which implies that Israel IS. Now, where he gets this I have no clue, as the issue of "forced transfer" is vocalized only by a marginalized far right in Israel. However, the fact that he would allege this against the only democracy in the Middle East shows a level of anti-Jewish hatred Hitler would have approved of. However, scanning your previous posts I note you affiliate with the political Left, which continues a trend of the past few years. If there is ever another holocaust, it will be the Left that carries it out.


To take over all of Lebanon? Won't happen.
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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2005, 06:27:46 PM »

Can't you at least make those accusations of Anti-Semitism somewhat more veiled? You're hardly being creative there, Mr. Neocon.
You don't give a  about the lives or well-being of any Arabs, whether they are Lebanese, Palestinian or Iraqi; you just them as convenient propaganda fodder whenever it suits you to.
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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2005, 09:52:45 PM »


no, who killed Hariri
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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2005, 10:07:27 PM »

Lebanon and Syria are some reject countries that didn't sign the Kyoto agreement.
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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2005, 11:44:03 AM »

Can't you at least make those accusations of Anti-Semitism somewhat more veiled? You're hardly being creative there, Mr. Neocon.
You don't give a f**ck about the lives or well-being of any Arabs, whether they are Lebanese, Palestinian or Iraqi; you just them as convenient propaganda fodder whenever it suits you to.

Veiled? No veiled about it. J'accuse.
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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2005, 05:02:53 PM »

Who cares? Godwin already kicked in and you've now exposed yourself as somebody who ran out of arguments and thinks ad hominem is a valid substitution.
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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2005, 05:06:38 PM »


Stratfor agrees with you. However, Hezbollah was acting on the orders of their Iranian and Syrian masters. Stratfor also thinks Syria and Iran just made a strategic miscalculation with this one...
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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2005, 07:45:24 PM »

It’s hard to know who did it. I know for sure who did not do it – Syria.
There is even a slim probability that Israel did it.
In the early fifties the Israeli Mosad recruited few Egyptian Jews to attack the American embassy and other American institutions in Cairo. These attacks failed, but some Egyptians were killed. The attackers were captured, tried, and executed. The Israeli idea was to create a dispute between the US and Egypt.
An Israeli friend of mine explained to me, that the Israeli governments love “bad Arabs”. A common saying there is: “A good Arab is a bad Arab”. What is the advantage of “bad Arab” over a “good Arab”? Very simple. No one would put pressure on Israel to evacuate the settlements as long as the Arabs are bad. Anwar Sadat was a “good Arab” and a friend of the US. As a result the US put enormous pressure on Israel to withdraw from the Sinai Peninsula and to make peace with Egypt. So (from the Israeli perspective) a “bad Arab” is much better than a good Arab. And if the Arab is not bad, cause him to be bad. And if this does not help, then at least make him look bad.
I personally don’t believe that the Israelis have done this, but I would not entirely rule it out. They do not want to make peace with Syria, because they want to annex the Golan Heights and the settlements there. As long as the Syrians are the bad guys, it is guaranteed that no one would put pressure on Israel to make peace with Syria.
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