MA: Mideast Abortion Sex Protection Act (Statute)

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

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[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Seeing no debate, this is brought to a final vote.  Members will vote AYE, NAY, or ABSTAIN.  This will be a 48-hour vote.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

AYE

[Oldiesfreak1854]

Aye

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Nay

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

Aye

[Gass3268]

Nice to see the ME govnermnet infringing on the rights of women. Then again this is what I would expect from a reactionary Fedralist government.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

Sex selection based abortion is an evil in other countries that we refuse to have here.

[Gass3268]

Siren explained it best. This is just an unecessary and excesive regulation.

[ZuWo]

Nice to see the ME govnermnet infringing on the rights of women. Then again this is what I would expect from a reactionary Fedralist government.

A government which supports major infrastructure projects, environmentally-friendly policies and seeks to lower excise taxes for the common man. You can call us many things, but the term "reactionary" strikes me as odd.

[Gass3268]

Nice to see the ME govnermnet infringing on the rights of women. Then again this is what I would expect from a reactionary Fedralist government.

A government which supports major infrastructure projects, environmentally-friendly policies and seeks to lower excise taxes for the common man. You can call us many things, but the term "reactionary" strikes me as odd.

Okay, so only reactionary against women, gotcha

[ZuWo]

Nice to see the ME govnermnet infringing on the rights of women. Then again this is what I would expect from a reactionary Fedralist government.

A government which supports major infrastructure projects, environmentally-friendly policies and seeks to lower excise taxes for the common man. You can call us many things, but the term "reactionary" strikes me as odd.

Okay, so only reactionary against women, gotcha

There is nothing reactionary about seeking to prevent sex-selective abortions. This is actually a measure against sex-based discrimination. Also, requiring a woman to have a conversation with a doctor before an abortion makes a lot of sense to me. It is common practice that patients meet their doctors before undergoing medical treatment in order to receive all the information they need.

[Gass3268]

Assuming we're talking about the legal time frame (first trimester), a woman should not have to justify her choice for having an abortion.  Period.  This legislation treats women like potential criminals instead of patients that need care and help.  If you want to provide pamphlets and brochures, I'm hesitant about it but I can accept it.  Interrogation is completely beyond the pale.

Secondly, most customary tests that women undergo to determine the sex of the baby happen after the first trimester, around 14-20 weeks in so this is basically just excessive big government, like Gass mentioned.

Siren says it better than I could have.

[ZuWo]

The bill merely uses the verbs "consult" (with a licensed physician) and "explain" (reasons for the abortion). I am not sure where the notion comes from that women will be treated like potential criminals and undergo a nerve-racking interrogation because of this bill. This can include pamphlets and brochures in some cases and mere five-minute conversations in others.

Most people consult with their dentist before having a tooth removed. I don't think it's excessive to demand that a doctor speaks to a woman before a considerably more drastic medical procedure such as an abortion.

[ZuWo]

I would also like to stress that this bill is well within the range of similar abortion regulations in a large number of European countries. In Switzerland, Austria and Germany, for example, a woman can only get a legal abortion within the first 12 weeks of her pregnancy if she agrees to a detailed conversation with a licensed physician or, in some cases, if she can confirm in written form that she is in an emergency situation.

[ZuWo]

An abortion is a drastic measure which not only affects the woman in question but also the fetus inside her womb. It's also a medical procedure which can have negative impacts on a woman's psyche. While many women may feel relieved after an abortion, there are women who regret their decision or were forced to get an abortion by their partners or parents in the first place. At any rate, an abortion is more than a simple and harmless medical procedure; an abortion always has tangible effects. For this reason a mandatory medical consultation, which, as I pointed out, is very common in many European countries, seems more than appropriate to me.

[Oldiesfreak1854]

Nice to see the ME govnermnet infringing on the rights of women. Then again this is what I would expect from a reactionary Fedralist government.

The real infringement on the rights of women is when they get an abortion simply because the baby is a girl.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Voting is now closed.  The AYEs are 3, and the NAYs are 2.  The AYEs have it, and the bill has passed.  The bill is now passed onto the Governor for his signature or veto.

[DemPGH]

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Why? And what in the name of all things good does that entail? That's exceedingly troubling, and the language implies that she is seeking some form of permission. Legally, it's not a doctor's business what her reasons are.

And does the Mideast impose a ban on abortion after the first trimester?

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

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Why? And what in the name of all things good does that entail? That's exceedingly troubling, and the language implies that she is seeking some form of permission. Legally, it's not a doctor's business what her reasons are.

And does the Mideast impose a ban on abortion after the first trimester?

I didn't even think we had a ban until halfway through the second trimester, but I could be misremembering or the region's abortion laws could've been changed since then.

[DemPGH]

Thanks, Siren.

Yeah, that appears to restrict beyond federal law, so we'll be reviewing this. In the meantime, I would encourage the governor to veto this bill. This is an unnecessary intrusion into the personal life and privacy of a woman. And then there's federal law.

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I don't understand why it's the Mideast's concern what a woman's personal reasons are for having an abortion. Any licensed physician who provides abortion services will consult the patient from a medical perspective, that's standard. But not from a personal perspective. That's no one's business but the woman's. She can make her own decisions, and she does not need to approach her physician as though he is the teacher of the class or something. 

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Has this abortion automatically become law or is ZuWo waiting until he thinks that no one is watching to sign it? (Or maybe he's already succeeded at doing the latter?)

I don't think he signed it yet.

[Oldiesfreak1854]

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Why? And what in the name of all things good does that entail? That's exceedingly troubling, and the language implies that she is seeking some form of permission. Legally, it's not a doctor's business what her reasons are.

And does the Mideast impose a ban on abortion after the first trimester?

I was trying to ensure that Asian women wouldn't be racially profiled.