Interracial relationships

[minionofmidas]

im all for interracial relationships.

Same.

My friend Yaya is half Guinean, half German. His girlfriend's Chinese.

[angus]

my son is technically asian.  I noticed that on his birth certificate.  I suppose there's not enough room in the box to put one-half Yankee Doodle Dandee and one-half chink.  I think the custom in the USA is to call it after the mother.  Makes sense, what with mitochondrial DNA, X-chromosomes, etc.  You get a lot more chemicals from your mother than from your father.  Not to mention the tit, which is your only source of food for several months.  Still, it always looks funny when you see what looks like an african baby with White as the race in the box, which is a very common situation in Columbus.  I'd never given much thought to it before till I lived in the Deep South, but nowadays I see mixing like mad.  Lots of shades of brown 'round here.  Anyway, If you're friend YaYa was born in the USA he'd not technically be half of anything.  He'd be whatever his mother is.  Period.

[nclib]

Option 1.

[J. J.]

Option 1, though it would be harder to be with someone of a different faith than me.  Religion is ultimately a matter of choice.

[No more McShame]

Option 2. It's not that I have anything against other races, it's that I'm only really sexually attracted to white women. *shrug*

You stole my answer.  Interestingly I'm not either, but I would add that I would date a hot Latina. 

you should come to Phoenix then

[opebo]

Option 2. It's not that I have anything against other races, it's that I'm only really sexually attracted to white women. *shrug*

You stole my answer.  Interestingly I'm not either, but I would add that I would date a hot Latina. 

In my opinion Latin and White are pretty close.  Anyway, I have always liked white girls and asian girls, and believe I would like Latinas, though I've only tried one. 

But since I've been here in Madagascar I have realized I'm not very attracted to black girls.

[minionofmidas]

my son is technically asian.  I noticed that on his birth certificate.  I suppose there's not enough room in the box to put one-half Yankee Doodle Dandee and one-half chink.  I think the custom in the USA is to call it after the mother.  Makes sense, what with mitochondrial DNA, X-chromosomes, etc.  You get a lot more chemicals from your mother than from your father.  Not to mention the tit, which is your only source of food for several months.  Still, it always looks funny when you see what looks like an african baby with White as the race in the box, which is a very common situation in Columbus.  I'd never given much thought to it before till I lived in the Deep South, but nowadays I see mixing like mad.  Lots of shades of brown 'round here.  Anyway, If you're friend YaYa was born in the USA he'd not technically be half of anything.  He'd be whatever his mother is.  Period.

That'd be White. You betcha he'd be identified as Black by 90% of the people 90% of the time, though. And he'd likely put it on his census forms.

[Storebought]

When I was younger, I was in favor of them.

Now, I'm slightly against them. In case of siblings, even more so. Of course, I'm talking about black/white exclusively--I don't consider Asian/white or sudamericano/white relationships "interracial" as such.

It's more about cultural differences than anything else. Blacks/whites are simply not compatible; the opinions expressed so far on this thread bear this out.

[angus]

1.  you can say you "don't consider" relationships between people of different races to be interracial relationships, but that's silly isn't it.  after all, the first thing any debating student learns is that you must define and agree upon terms.

2.  the social problems you mention about blacks and whites in the americas arise from the fact that most blacks in USA, Mexico, Brazil, Jamaica, etc., are the descendants of slaves, and behave and have social values that make that painfully obvious.  The fact that most Africans I know are as weird around american blacks as most Europeans are attests to this fact.  Your sister marry the descendant of west african slaves is not the same thing as your sister marrying an engineer from Nairobi.  Hell, an engineer from Nairobi probably would have qualms with his sister marrying an american black too, and it has nothing to do with racism, and everything to do with simple cultural concerns. 

Having said that, I have no problem with any non-black, rich or poor, marrying into an american black family, but it should be noted that among those who do, the problem generally isn't one of racism, but of cultural and ethnic differences.  but then, you have stated that, so I don't think we're arguing about this.

[Storebought]

1.  you can say you "don't consider" relationships between people of different races to be interracial relationships, but that's silly isn't it.  after all, the first thing any debating student learns is that you must define and agree upon terms.

2.  the social problems you mention about blacks and whites in the americas arise from the fact that most blacks in USA, Mexico, Brazil, Jamaica, etc., are the descendants of slaves, and behave and have social values that make that painfully obvious.  The fact that most Africans I know are as weird around american blacks as most Europeans are attests to this fact.  Your sister marry the descendant of west african slaves is not the same thing as your sister marrying an engineer from Nairobi.  Hell, an engineer from Nairobi probably would have qualms with his sister marrying an american black too, and it has nothing to do with racism, and everything to do with simple cultural concerns. 

Having said that, I have no problem with any non-black, rich or poor, marrying into an american black family, but it should be noted that among those who do, the problem generally isn't one of racism, but of cultural and ethnic differences.  but then, you have stated that, so I don't think we're arguing about this.

Yes, I was sloppy with my words: I meant to say, "The sight of an Asian/white or "Latin" American/white couple would not arise in me an instinctive awareness of the couple as interracial, not in the way a black/white couple would."

Asians are not white, of course, but Asian/white couples are not 'interracial' to me because Asians (the ones that emigrate to the US, at least) are not usually strongly aware of themselves as belonging to a particular race. Now, Asians back home in China or (especially) Japan are notoriously racist, and will be quick to inform you of their displeasure of an Asian/anything else couple.

With the black/white relationship--I am against them b/c of the massive cultural chasm that separates even perfectly middle class blacks from perfectly middle class whites. From what I've seen on this thread, whites are against them b/c they find blacks particularly physically unattractive. In that sense, I'm more of the liberal on this subject than the rest here--even a Grand Canyon can be crossed; ugliness is eternal.

[opebo]

2.  the social problems you mention about blacks and whites in the americas arise from the fact that most blacks in USA, Mexico, Brazil, Jamaica, etc., are the descendants of slaves, and behave and have social values that make that painfully obvious.  The fact that most Africans I know are as weird around american blacks as most Europeans are attests to this fact.  Your sister marry the descendant of west african slaves is not the same thing as your sister marrying an engineer from Nairobi.  Hell, an engineer from Nairobi probably would have qualms with his sister marrying an american black too, and it has nothing to do with racism, and everything to do with simple cultural concerns. 

What you say is largely true, though to a lesser extent the blacks who remained in Africa were also slaves.  Certainly they had colonial masters.  Here in Madagascar the culture seems peaceful but enormously prone to cheating and deception - the bane of the tourist.  It is possible that the extremely slothful culture is partially due to the heat, but other hot countries are not so - these people seem nearly catatonic even compared to the laid back Thais.  Of course in Thailand it is tolerably cool for about 1/3 of the year.  That said, while they are very slow moving about work, and seem happy to just sit, they're much more frisky about entertainment, dancing, and the like.

By the way, I had thought that my lack of attraction to American black women was partially cultural and partly about the American problem of fat, but as it turns out my trip has informed me that there is something about body type, smells (which are exacerbated by a lack of cleanliness), pheromones, texture, and in most cases manner that is just as offputting here as back home.  I have only found one tolerable girl out of four so far - she was demure and not brash and loud, or 'impertinent' as my ex-Nazi friend would say, like the rest.  In fairness this is a small sample but in general it was difficult even to select those four from a very unappealing offering overall!

[opebo]

my son is technically asian.  I noticed that on his birth certificate.  I suppose there's not enough room in the box to put one-half Yankee Doodle Dandee and one-half chink.  I think the custom in the USA is to call it after the mother.  Makes sense, what with mitochondrial DNA, X-chromosomes, etc.  You get a lot more chemicals from your mother than from your father.  Not to mention the tit, which is your only source of food for several months.  Still, it always looks funny when you see what looks like an african baby with White as the race in the box, which is a very common situation in Columbus.  I'd never given much thought to it before till I lived in the Deep South, but nowadays I see mixing like mad.  Lots of shades of brown 'round here.  Anyway, If you're friend YaYa was born in the USA he'd not technically be half of anything.  He'd be whatever his mother is.  Period.

That'd be White. You betcha he'd be identified as Black by 90% of the people 90% of the time, though. And he'd likely put it on his census forms.

Yes it is correct that white is stringently defined as one with two white parents, while one may have one white parent and still be an asian or particularly a black.  The preferred racial identity is naturally the one from which it is most easy to be exiled.

[angus]

good points all around.  I think we're getting into some fine differences that may not have correct answers, but it may be subjective from here on out.  for example, I note that Koreans are by far the most insular of the East Asian cultures, not the Japs.  And this I know from numerous conversations not only with Koreans, but with Japanese, Chinese, and Vietnamese (who are among the least so).  Also, I think, at least if you're talking to a Korean, it is not the white who is "preferred" but the east asian.  but you're both right about how my mother-in-law is tolerant with me.  eventually (and the father-in-law is rather joyous), but both, in no uncertain terms, expressed great relief that the "american" boy was a "european-american" boy and not something else.  and, for the record, and I know this from experience from having met with the families of previous black girlfriends, you cannot assume the mother of the black girlfriend will be overjoyed at the prospect of a white son-in-law.  In fact, she make like you in spite of that, rather than because of that.  so it seems to work both ways.  I can tell you my mother never overtly expressed disdain when I would occassionally bring home mexican-american, black, or vietnamese-american women.  the only time she ever got upset is when they were homely or insuffieciently intelligent or slutty.  (which, I am embarrassed to admit, was often enough)  my point is that you cannot assume it is always the white parent who has serious problems with the situation.  sometimes it is the non-white parent.  or maybe it's just because I was such a poor catch, with any other white guy they'd have been overjoyed. 
 

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Latinas basically are white actually. They're mostly a mix of some sort of Native Americans and Spanish, which would make them partially white at least, or fully Spanish, which would make them just as white as I am.

I remember reading once that's they're only three main races, Caucasian, Negro (black) and Mongoloid (Asian). Out of those Latinos are obviously closest to Caucasian, although I'm not entirely sure if it's completely accurate, for example what about Native Americans, I guess they're closest to Asian out of those but they most certainly aren't the same as Japanese for example, another example is those on the Indian subcontinent (same as above).

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

Latinas basically are white actually. They're mostly a mix of some sort of Native Americans and Spanish, which would make them partially white at least, or fully Spanish, which would make them just as white as I am.

I remember reading once that's they're only three main races, Caucasian, Negro (black) and Mongoloid (Asian). Out of those Latinos are obviously closest to Caucasian, although I'm not entirely sure if it's completely accurate, for example what about Native Americans, I guess they're closest to Asian out of those but they most certainly aren't the same as Japanese for example, another example is those on the Indian subcontinent (same as above).

Latinos can be of any race, but most people we would consider Hispanic are Caucasoid.  There are of course many black hispanics from South America, Cuba, Dominican Republic, etc.    There are probably also Mogoloid Hispanics somewhere, most likely in Peru.

Other non-obvious races:
- Native Americans are Mongoloid
- Indian subcontinent natives are Caucasoid
- Aboriginal Australians do not belong to any of the the major races, but a fourth completely different race, I think referred to as Australoid, which also includes some other SE Asian native cultures

[senatortombstone]

Option 2. It's not that I have anything against other races, it's that I'm only really sexually attracted to white women. *shrug*

I didn't know that you are black, Dibble!

[John Dibble]

Option 2. It's not that I have anything against other races, it's that I'm only really sexually attracted to white women. *shrug*

I didn't know that you are black, Dibble!

Uhm, I said I'm only attracted to white women, implying I'm white by selecting option 2.

[senatortombstone]

Option 2. It's not that I have anything against other races, it's that I'm only really sexually attracted to white women. *shrug*

I didn't know that you are black, Dibble!

Uhm, I said I'm only attracted to white women, implying I'm white by selecting option 2.

Okay, but you sure sounded black back there, only liking white women and all....

I didn't answer this poll because I am happily married and would never consider dating again.

My sister is in an interracial relationship.  She is a mixture of various northern european ancestory and her husand is 1/2 portuguese and 1/2 Italian.

she's going to have a mudchild.  bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

[Ebowed]

she's going to have a mudchild.  bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

OK... let's consider that you were not married, and still dating... which option would you choose?

[senatortombstone]

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 was being sarcastic about the mudchild comment, BTW

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Latinas basically are white actually. They're mostly a mix of some sort of Native Americans and Spanish, which would make them partially white at least, or fully Spanish, which would make them just as white as I am.

I remember reading once that's they're only three main races, Caucasian, Negro (black) and Mongoloid (Asian). Out of those Latinos are obviously closest to Caucasian, although I'm not entirely sure if it's completely accurate, for example what about Native Americans, I guess they're closest to Asian out of those but they most certainly aren't the same as Japanese for example, another example is those on the Indian subcontinent (same as above).

Latinos can be of any race, but most people we would consider Hispanic are Caucasoid.  There are of course many black hispanics from South America, Cuba, Dominican Republic, etc.    There are probably also Mogoloid Hispanics somewhere, most likely in Peru.

Other non-obvious races:
- Native Americans are Mongoloid
- Indian subcontinent natives are Caucasoid
- Aboriginal Australians do not belong to any of the the major races, but a fourth completely different race, I think referred to as Australoid, which also includes some other SE Asian native cultures

so Maoris fall into that too?

I really don't see how Indians could be considered Caucasian. And if so the Census bereau is really screwed up as it classifies them as Asian, which is already pretty dumb since they're a completely different race than East Asians which make up the majority of that category.

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

Latinas basically are white actually. They're mostly a mix of some sort of Native Americans and Spanish, which would make them partially white at least, or fully Spanish, which would make them just as white as I am.

I remember reading once that's they're only three main races, Caucasian, Negro (black) and Mongoloid (Asian). Out of those Latinos are obviously closest to Caucasian, although I'm not entirely sure if it's completely accurate, for example what about Native Americans, I guess they're closest to Asian out of those but they most certainly aren't the same as Japanese for example, another example is those on the Indian subcontinent (same as above).

Latinos can be of any race, but most people we would consider Hispanic are Caucasoid.  There are of course many black hispanics from South America, Cuba, Dominican Republic, etc.    There are probably also Mogoloid Hispanics somewhere, most likely in Peru.

Other non-obvious races:
- Native Americans are Mongoloid
- Indian subcontinent natives are Caucasoid
- Aboriginal Australians do not belong to any of the the major races, but a fourth completely different race, I think referred to as Australoid, which also includes some other SE Asian native cultures

so Maoris fall into that too?

I really don't see how Indians could be considered Caucasian. And if so the Census bereau is really screwed up as it classifies them as Asian, which is already pretty dumb since they're a completely different race than East Asians which make up the majority of that category.

Indians are definitely Caucasian...race in this sense doesn't have much to do with skin color, which over generations can change much more rapidly depending on climate than facial features, for instance.  If you ignore skin color and just look at other features, most Indians look much more like Europeans than they do like Chinese. 

There is a lot of overlap in some areas of South Asia...Iranians are generally Caucasoid, but Uzbeks are generally Mongoloid; I'm not sure where Afghanis fall into that.

I believe Maoris are Australoid, but I'm not sure.