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« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2015, 11:19:13 AM »

Leaning towards FO on this one. The overall intent and principles at play are admirable.

The position on Jerusalem is shaky because there are modern efforts underway to pressure Palestinians out their homes. It may be better to divide the city along lines other than which neighborhoods have an Israeli or Palestinian majority at the time of negotiations. I'm also not convinced the U.S. should threaten Iran with military intervention if it is on the verge of developing nuclear weapons, especially when we are allowing Israel to continue possessing an arsenal.
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« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2015, 07:28:26 PM »

FO, supports basic rights for Palestinians.

Horrible Organization, though thankfully they have so far been totally unsuccessful in trying to take away from the good work AIPAC does. Probably has something to do with the overwhelming (and growing) support Americans have for Israeli foreign policy, I think.

Most Americans support neither side.  And once the American people know what goes on in Palestine support for Israel will drop.

These myths are very widespread amongst anti-Zionists, which is why I love so much acquainting y'all with the actual data: http://www.gallup.com/poll/161387/americans-sympathies-israel-match-time-high.aspx

I don't really remember where the polls I had came from, but here is an article from the Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/09/15/the-top-ten-most-surprising-things-about-american-attitudes-towards-foreign-policy/

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The first one is very strange, since it contradicts basically all data I've seen anywhere. The other two make sense, since Americans generally prefer not to intervene and to cut foreign aid, so those opinions aren't really out of the ordinary. What might be the case here is that to 'take the side of' is stronger wording than 'sympathize'; ultimately, Americans don't really know all that much about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and what the forces Israel is facing are like. (Which is basically the case for any foreign policy issue, unfortunately). But, broadly speaking, casual American support for Israel remains not just very strong, but stronger than it has ever been and strengthening.

As for Jewish opinions on the conflict, well, the large levels of support for Israel among the general population and the statements of prominent Jewish-community figures (and my personal experiences, though those are probably a tad skewed) suggest that Jews probably support Israel overwhelmingly, but of course there is great diversity of opinion in the Jewish community, as there has always been, and not everyone holds this opinion. (The same, btw, is the case in Israel itself).

As for opinions on AIPAC and Netanyahu, those who are politically plugged-in and have heard of them probably break down the same way as the pro/anti Israel numbers; largely a positive opinion, in both cases, though with some negative dissent. The last survey I could find on opinion of Netanyahu in the US is 3 years old, but it shows significantly more Americans have a positive opinion of Netanyahu than not ( http://www.gallup.com/poll/156338/Americans-Positive-Negative-Toward-Netanyahu.aspx?utm_source=netanyahu&utm_medium=search&utm_campaign=tiles ), though he is largely unknown. Considering it is close even among Democrats, I think most American Jews approve of Netanyahu. (Obviously, in the context of Israeli politics, most American Jews would be supporters of the Labor Party and Yesh Atid if they lived in Israel, but I think few American Jews are really aware of the intricacies of Israeli politics and tend to just automatically think Prime Minister of Israel=FF. Which on the international stage is true).
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« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2015, 01:25:46 AM »

All I know is that my campus's Students for Justice in Palestine branch whoops the J Street branch in organization.
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« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2015, 09:19:07 AM »

Even among the AIPAC crowd, there is more nuance to their position.  They're not monsters.  And, it's important to say, AIPAC is not some nefarious conspiracy. 

I agree with the latter, but could you explain how AIPAC is in any way nuanced? That doesn't fit at all with my impression of the organization, but I would be glad to hear if I'm wrong here.
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« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2015, 11:00:23 AM »

Even among the AIPAC crowd, there is more nuance to their position.  They're not monsters.  And, it's important to say, AIPAC is not some nefarious conspiracy. 

I agree with the latter, but could you explain how AIPAC is in any way nuanced? That doesn't fit at all with my impression of the organization, but I would be glad to hear if I'm wrong here.

They're a lobbying organization that focuses on the US-Israel relationship.  That's not the controversial chunk of Israel issues.  AIPAC does not have some right-wing irredentist position about the settlements.  They don't oppose the two-state solution.  They also compromise a broad coalition of people including liberal Democrats.  So, it's not just the Fox News pro-Israel crowd.
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« Reply #30 on: February 07, 2015, 05:09:41 PM »

All I know is that my campus's Students for Justice in Palestine branch whoops the J Street branch in organization.
On my campus, SJP grew and grew until divestment happened, at which time they became completely irrelevant.
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