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« on: October 27, 2015, 08:17:52 AM »
« edited: October 27, 2015, 08:26:10 AM by Classical Conservative »

Does anyone have any ideas on how this one will go? There's definitely going to be a swing to the Republicans, with the only question being how large it'll go. I think there's a decent chance it'll be a single digit victory for the Dems.

Is there a long-term Democratic decline in the state?
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« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2015, 09:41:03 AM »

I'll say it again: because Rauner won does not suggest that Illinois will be in play presidentially ever.

Obama's home state effect nearly entirely wore off in 2012, but I agree that the Dem will win Illinois in 2016 by less than Obama did in 2012. This is because even without the home state, Obama was a great fit for the state.

The Dem in 2016 will win Illinois with 55 or 56 percent, greater than Kerry in 2004 but less than either of Obama's margins.

If Pubs want to make Illinois competitive ever again they'll need to reverse the trend that put it out of play for them - they'll need to run up margins in the suburbs like they did in the 1980s.

That's how Rauner did it. Suburbans were upset with Quinn and viewed Rauner as a reformer and an independent. They have not viewed the national GOP in this light in several decades and that is why the margins in the suburbs have favored Dems since the departure of Papa Bush.
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« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2015, 09:44:45 AM »

I'll say it again: because Rauner won does not suggest that Illinois will be in play presidentially ever.

Obama's home state effect nearly entirely wore off in 2012, but I agree that the Dem will win Illinois in 2016 by less than Obama did in 2012. This is because even without the home state, Obama was a great fit for the state.

The Dem in 2016 will win Illinois with 55 or 56 percent, greater than Kerry in 2004 but less than either of Obama's margins.

If Pubs want to make Illinois competitive ever again they'll need to reverse the trend that put it out of play for them - they'll need to run up margins in the suburbs like they did in the 1980s.

That's how Rauner did it. Suburbans were upset with Quinn and viewed Rauner as a reformer and an independent. They have not viewed the national GOP in this light in several decades and that is why the margins in the suburbs have favored Dems since the departure of Papa Bush.

Well put. I'll note that the people saying that Illinois is going to become "competitive" don't believe the same about, say, Kentucky or Louisiana despite Democrats being favored to win the governorships there as of right now.
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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2015, 10:16:49 PM »

Does anyone have any ideas on how this one will go? There's definitely going to be a swing to the Republicans, with the only question being how large it'll go. I think there's a decent chance it'll be a single digit victory for the Dems.

Is there a long-term Democratic decline in the state?
I say no. Yeah, demographically you may think so because Chicago is declining in population, but the culture in the suburbs is changing. I lived up there (in Palatine) until last year. The suburbs are becoming less religious and more racially diverse, and with that, they're getting bluer. President Obama actually carried Palatine, once a Republican bastion, in 2008, though Romney did carry it in 2012. Look at the map of Mark Kirk's statewide victory. I think he won Palatine by 20 points. These are areas where Republicans must run up big margins in order to offset Chicago.

Could it happen? Sure, but it'd take Republicans doing something different. One thing in their favor is that I don't think post-Obama Dems will do as well outside of Cook County as Obama did. Urban blue-collar counties like Peoria have flipped to red. But Republicans will have to increase their appeal to minorities to win statewide in a presidential year.
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