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« on: October 13, 2016, 04:34:32 PM »

Which one event or series of events do you think the election will pivot upon?
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« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2016, 04:35:24 PM »

Which one event or series of events do you think the election will pivot upon?

Perhaps an event that is yet to have come about?
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« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2016, 04:35:53 PM »

Which one event or series of events do you think the election will pivot upon?

Donald Trump's nomination.
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« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2016, 04:38:01 PM »

Which one event or series of events do you think the election will pivot upon?

Donald Trump's nomination.

Going back further you could say Trump's entry, and the Trump/Bernie joint populist smear campaign against hillary, which additionally benefited bernie.
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« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2016, 04:38:07 PM »

Rubio's flameout in the NH ABC debate. One of two candidates in either party that could of been president this cycle.
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« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2016, 04:39:54 PM »

Rubio's flameout in the NH ABC debate. One of two candidates in either party that could of been president this cycle.

rubio never had a shot because he wasn't tested in the first place, he was hiding from everyone, then collapsed when he was finally attacked. If you recall, rubio was never able to damage any of his opponents in the ways that he attacked, he had to depend upon others, even in SC, he had to unite with Trump's smear campaign against cruz to barely beat Cruz.
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« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2016, 04:52:35 PM »

Clinton's campaign launch.
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« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2016, 05:02:58 PM »


She was originally massively ahead of all the Rs true, but her numbers declined due to bernie/trump's populist tag-team smears against her. If the republicans had kicked trump out instead of bearhugging trump voters, they would've been even more damaged, and that's why they were scared to do it. So all this talk about 'hillary being so weak' is silly, they took the risks of enabling trump in hopes of potentially winning over his voters, the populist (trade/'corporate puppet', etc. talk) campaign is what weakened her in the first place.
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« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2016, 05:06:23 PM »

Pivot idk, but the death of email privacy will be up there in events to remember.
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« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2016, 05:09:52 PM »

Pivot idk, but the death of email privacy will be up there in events to remember.
If Trump wins or at least takes Hillary to the freival, it will because this is now the "bleeding edge" of campaign IT the same way "microtargeting" was for Bush/Cheney and Obj-C and Hadoop were for Obama/Biden.
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« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2016, 05:16:38 PM »

Pivot idk, but the death of email privacy will be up there in events to remember.
If Trump wins or at least takes Hillary to the freival, it will because this is now the "bleeding edge" of campaign IT the same way "microtargeting" was for Bush/Cheney and Obj-C and Hadoop were for Obama/Biden.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-republicans-voter-data-20150618-story.html

“The honest truth is, Democrats are ahead of Republicans because of their fundamental belief in the collective,”

“This is very much a clash of ideologies, playing out through campaign tactics.”

lol
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« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2016, 05:31:36 PM »

Rubio's flameout in the NH ABC debate. One of two candidates in either party that could of been president this cycle.
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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2016, 05:35:14 PM »

Rubio's flameout in the NH ABC debate. One of two candidates in either party that could of been president this cycle.

On the contrary, all he did was stab Jeb in the back and refused to defend him when he was initially attacked (as did cruz), and then he did the same to Cruz. It should've been clear from pre-iowa, that only Trump had a clear path to the convention, and if it was going to be a convention play they should've backed cruz.

By the way, I should remind you that he was artificially rehabilitated again after NH, and then collapsed on his own again, that was due to the flaws as a candidate, so why do you keep on ignoring his flaws but focus on the flaws of others?, that's cherrypicking.
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« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2016, 05:46:33 PM »

Rubio's flameout in the NH ABC debate. One of two candidates in either party that could of been president this cycle.

On the contrary, all he did was stab Jeb in the back and refused to defend him when he was initially attacked (as did cruz), and then he did the same to Cruz. It should've been clear from pre-iowa, that only Trump had a clear path to the convention, and if it was going to be a convention play they should've backed cruz.

By the way, I should remind you that he was artificially rehabilitated again after NH, and then collapsed on his own again, that was due to the flaws as a candidate, so why do you keep on ignoring his flaws but focus on the flaws of others?, that's cherrypicking.

I think without the debate blunder, Rubio would have placed 2nd in NH, which would have forced Kasich out and created more momentum than the "rehabilitation" ever did. He would have won or come very close in NV/SC, won VA/MN/maybe AR/OK/VT on Super Tuesday, and potentially ride the momentum from that to the nomination.
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« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2016, 05:49:55 PM »

Rubio's flameout in the NH ABC debate. One of two candidates in either party that could of been president this cycle.

On the contrary, all he did was stab Jeb in the back and refused to defend him when he was initially attacked (as did cruz), and then he did the same to Cruz. It should've been clear from pre-iowa, that only Trump had a clear path to the convention, and if it was going to be a convention play they should've backed cruz.

By the way, I should remind you that he was artificially rehabilitated again after NH, and then collapsed on his own again, that was due to the flaws as a candidate, so why do you keep on ignoring his flaws but focus on the flaws of others?, that's cherrypicking.

I think without the debate blunder, Rubio would have placed 2nd in NH, which would have forced Kasich out and created more momentum than the "rehabilitation" ever did. He would have won or come very close in NV/SC, won VA/MN/maybe AR/OK/VT on Super Tuesday, and potentially ride the momentum from that to the nomination.

No, the whole idea of putting voters from candidate x -> candidate y's column doesn't work. That's why cruz failed in the end. Kasich actually came closer in VT, than rubio did in VA, so it's more logical to say that rubio cost kasich VT.
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« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2016, 05:53:02 PM »

Trump getting crushed in the first debate.

Probably the current access hollywood scandal. The whole, "Trump gets beaten by his own misogyny while running against the first woman candidate" story line is too juicy to pass up.
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« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2016, 05:59:46 PM »

By the way, it's funny to say that 100% of kasich, etc. voters would've gone in xyz direction, that's exactly what cruz's team was saying about carson, how carson was costing cruz states. Well, guess what, after carson dropped out, his voters split to multiple candidates, and also boosted Trump in the process.

Fact is that Kasich voters could care less about Romney's speech about 'strategic voting', so their priorities were different.  Same with Carson's.
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