Are center-right Republicans going to regret rejecting the center-left in 2016?
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« on: November 18, 2016, 02:47:55 PM »

After reading this column from GWB speechwriter Michael Gerson

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/republicans-have-heart-disease-democrats-have-a-gushing-head-wound/2016/11/17/d2eef724-acfb-11e6-8b45-f8e493f06fcd_story.html

in which he hopes, the Democrat's won't "overlearn" the "close-loss-lesson" of 2016 and become full-populist, i wonder if "nose-holding" Trump voters of the center-right are going to feel bad about the outcome of their choice.

If there was another good reason needed for the Sanders movement to become even more popular inside the DNC, losing cause of 3 close rejections in the Mid West makes a case for itself.

Should a "Tea-party-of-the-left" emerge and also primarying and obstructing like the original one, imho the country as a whole would suffer form it, since the number of dysfunctional parties would grow from one to two.

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« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2016, 03:31:04 PM »
« Edited: November 18, 2016, 03:33:18 PM by Tartarus Sauce »

Well written piece, I agree with his propositions.
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« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2016, 04:43:00 PM »

The title is accurate. The RNC has doubled down on the fatty diet. The DNC will spend some time in intensive care and spring out.
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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2016, 04:45:14 PM »

In about 10-15 years Republicans are going to sorely regret being the party of Brexit Plus.

I sincerely believe if I ask someone in 10-15 years if they voted for the Donald, I will be told "Of course not! I never would," by people who are full out Trump supporters this year. The racial toxicity, white nationalism, and protectionist ideas plus anti-globalism are going to backfire on them, flat out.
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« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2016, 04:47:21 PM »

Remind me to ask them about Steve Bannon. "Who? Never! We had him? What?"

Alt Right? "I certainly am not a believer of their ideals. What a terrible - " You get the idea. In the land, there will not be a solid Trumpian who will proudly admit to their vote in 10-15 years.

I'll laugh, of course, because at that point, the GOP will be a smoking ruin in a vicious civil war between the alt right and the center-right. 

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« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2016, 04:52:05 PM »

Remind me to ask them about Steve Bannon. "Who? Never! We had him? What?"

Alt Right? "I certainly am not a believer of their ideals. What a terrible - " You get the idea. In the land, there will not be a solid Trumpian who will proudly admit to their vote in 10-15 years.

I'll laugh, of course, because at that point, the GOP will be a smoking ruin in a vicious civil war between the alt right and the center-right. 



The alt-right isn't a thing outside of the internet, and the center-right has been dead for 10 years outside of super elitist circles, so neither of those groups will be there for the fight.  It will be movement conservatives against nationalists (which isn't the same thing).
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« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2016, 05:01:58 PM »

Remind me to ask them about Steve Bannon. "Who? Never! We had him? What?"

Alt Right? "I certainly am not a believer of their ideals. What a terrible - " You get the idea. In the land, there will not be a solid Trumpian who will proudly admit to their vote in 10-15 years.

I'll laugh, of course, because at that point, the GOP will be a smoking ruin in a vicious civil war between the alt right and the center-right. 



The alt-right isn't a thing outside of the internet, and the center-right has been dead for 10 years outside of super elitist circles, so neither of those groups will be there for the fight.  It will be movement conservatives against nationalists (which isn't the same thing).

I'm thinking the GOP civil war will be between mainstream defeated Republicans (like Ryan) and the nationalist wing. I consider the nationalist wing to be rooted in economic and racial resentment, so I guess I conflate the alt-right with them.
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« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2016, 05:37:52 PM »

Both parties are sure to significantly escalate their move from the center within the next 4 years.

The GOP will continue it's spiral as a right-wing populist, protectionist party, while the Democrats will "clean ship" and turn into a Sanders-esque paradise with Keith Ellison at the helm, while Blue Dogs are given the finger.

Sucks to be a centrist like me in America. Tongue
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« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2016, 07:46:12 PM »

How many threads are you going to start again in the next weeks?

About the same as the number of angry white women who preferred Hassan to Ayotte i suppose.
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« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2016, 08:54:10 PM »

Just like in Atlasia, there occasionally comes a moment when the right and left collectively need to gang up on the "center" to remind it exactly who is serving whom. America has probably reached that point. For an example of why, simply notice how this article interprets "centrist" as a statement about class rather than ideology.
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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2016, 08:00:23 PM »

Remind me to ask them about Steve Bannon. "Who? Never! We had him? What?"

Alt Right? "I certainly am not a believer of their ideals. What a terrible - " You get the idea. In the land, there will not be a solid Trumpian who will proudly admit to their vote in 10-15 years.

I'll laugh, of course, because at that point, the GOP will be a smoking ruin in a vicious civil war between the alt right and the center-right. 



The alt-right isn't a thing outside of the internet, and the center-right has been dead for 10 years outside of super elitist circles, so neither of those groups will be there for the fight.  It will be movement conservatives against nationalists (which isn't the same thing).

I'm thinking the GOP civil war will be between mainstream defeated Republicans (like Ryan) and the nationalist wing. I consider the nationalist wing to be rooted in economic and racial resentment, so I guess I conflate the alt-right with them.
There has been a GOP Civil War since like 2010. You hear about it every 2-3 days on the internet or on C-Span.

I have a question on a side note for people to answer although it might sound stupid: Is the alt-right like the SWJ Movement of the left? Both aren't very popular but they have their little audience I'm sure.
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« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2016, 10:47:07 PM »

One dynamic between the parties that isn't appreciated is that liberals can't afford to be as intractable as Republicans since they want spending and policy changes.

When Democrats were in charge, Republicans didn't need as much from them. They got much of what they wanted through obstruction.
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