Sanders introduces single payer health care bill:Will any other 2020ers back it?

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ACA is a crappy one compared to Single Payer & is beyond repair & is going down in flames & is one of the reasons Trump got elected. Single Payer is the only solution & should be a litmus test for all blue & purple state Dems.

Very surprised that Booker may endorse this. 15$ Min Wage, Drug Bill, Climate Change bill (including Carbon tax, fracking ban etc), Booker is also heading left - Sanders' has had a gigantic effect on the direction of the party !

[NeverAgain]

ACA is a crappy one compared to Single Payer & is beyond repair & is going down in flames & is one of the reasons Trump got elected. Single Payer is the only solution & should be a litmus test for all blue & purple state Dems.

Very surprised that Booker may endorse this. 15$ Min Wage, Drug Bill, Climate Change bill (including Carbon tax, fracking ban etc), Booker is also heading left - Sanders' has had a gigantic effect on the direction of the party !

Stop. This will never get done in this climate (aka Republicans controlling ALL Branches of Government) and Bernie trying to divide Democrats instead of uniting against a bill that will take millions off the healthcare rolls. This is another one of the sick publicity stunts Bernie has been doing, and it needs to stop.

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ACA is a crappy one compared to Single Payer & is beyond repair & is going down in flames & is one of the reasons Trump got elected. Single Payer is the only solution & should be a litmus test for all blue & purple state Dems.

Very surprised that Booker may endorse this. 15$ Min Wage, Drug Bill, Climate Change bill (including Carbon tax, fracking ban etc), Booker is also heading left - Sanders' has had a gigantic effect on the direction of the party !

Stop. This will never get done in this climate (aka Republicans controlling ALL Branches of Government) and Bernie trying to divide Democrats instead of uniting against a bill that will take millions off the healthcare rolls. This is another one of the sick publicity stunts Bernie has been doing, and it needs to stop.

What's wrong with a goal? Republicans have tons of harebrained campaign promises (flat tax! EPA abolished!) that don't harm them, what's wrong with a little aim to fire up the base?

[Mr. Morden]

Very surprised that Booker may endorse this.

I’m not reading it that way.  “One of the options that must be considered” sounds like a polite way of saying that he doesn’t want to do it, but he has to pretend that single payer is at least something that he might be open to years in the future, because ruling it out completely is too damaging in a Democratic primary.  I’m assuming that every single candidate for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination will either favor single payer or say that it’s something that they might be for years and years in the future, but not now.

I mean, even in the 2008 Democratic primary race, weren’t both Clinton and Obama saying some version of that when asked about single payer?  That it’s not something they’re for right now, but they wouldn’t rule out being for it years and years from now (which effectively means never)?

[McGovernForPrez]

ACA is a crappy one compared to Single Payer & is beyond repair & is going down in flames & is one of the reasons Trump got elected. Single Payer is the only solution & should be a litmus test for all blue & purple state Dems.

Very surprised that Booker may endorse this. 15$ Min Wage, Drug Bill, Climate Change bill (including Carbon tax, fracking ban etc), Booker is also heading left - Sanders' has had a gigantic effect on the direction of the party !

Stop. This will never get done in this climate (aka Republicans controlling ALL Branches of Government) and Bernie trying to divide Democrats instead of uniting against a bill that will take millions off the healthcare rolls. This is another one of the sick publicity stunts Bernie has been doing, and it needs to stop.

Bernie is one of the strongest defenders on Obamacare. He wants a better healthcare system such as single payer, or a public option, but he's always said Obamacare is a step in the right direction and opposes killing it. He's the one who went to debate Obamacare on CNN against Ted Cruz. Pushing for an ideological goal can't harm the ACA at all.

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ACA is a crappy one compared to Single Payer & is beyond repair & is going down in flames & is one of the reasons Trump got elected. Single Payer is the only solution & should be a litmus test for all blue & purple state Dems.

Very surprised that Booker may endorse this. 15$ Min Wage, Drug Bill, Climate Change bill (including Carbon tax, fracking ban etc), Booker is also heading left - Sanders' has had a gigantic effect on the direction of the party !

Stop. This will never get done in this climate (aka Republicans controlling ALL Branches of Government) and Bernie trying to divide Democrats instead of uniting against a bill that will take millions off the healthcare rolls. This is another one of the sick publicity stunts Bernie has been doing, and it needs to stop.

Pretty childish post. By your logic, no change including the Civil Rights n Gay Rights could ever happen.

It is pretty ironic when they are pushing hard to build momentum for Universal Healthcare, you are staunchly for a mixed system with some crappy part n some decent portions where Millions are already off healthcare rolls & millions under-funded & being killed by super high premiums. Single Payer was the goal of the Dem party since FDR, Truman etc - It is a close to a 100 year dream !

The fact that you don't know how much Bernie has opposed Trumpcare & blasted the Republicans for repealing ACA without good changes or a single payer shows flat our partisan hackery ! Pretty crazy considering Bernie gave his own money from his Presidential campaign to other Congress people for rallies & led the agenda against the ACA repeal !

[Mr. Smith]

ACA is a crappy one compared to Single Payer & is beyond repair & is going down in flames & is one of the reasons Trump got elected. Single Payer is the only solution & should be a litmus test for all blue & purple state Dems.

Very surprised that Booker may endorse this. 15$ Min Wage, Drug Bill, Climate Change bill (including Carbon tax, fracking ban etc), Booker is also heading left - Sanders' has had a gigantic effect on the direction of the party !

Stop. This will never get done in this climate (aka Republicans controlling ALL Branches of Government) and Bernie trying to divide Democrats instead of uniting against a bill that will take millions off the healthcare rolls. This is another one of the sick publicity stunts Bernie has been doing, and it needs to stop.

...This type of VerySeriousPersonry is WHY the party is in a wreck.

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ACA is a crappy one compared to Single Payer & is beyond repair & is going down in flames & is one of the reasons Trump got elected. Single Payer is the only solution & should be a litmus test for all blue & purple state Dems.

Very surprised that Booker may endorse this. 15$ Min Wage, Drug Bill, Climate Change bill (including Carbon tax, fracking ban etc), Booker is also heading left - Sanders' has had a gigantic effect on the direction of the party !

Stop. This will never get done in this climate (aka Republicans controlling ALL Branches of Government) and Bernie trying to divide Democrats instead of uniting against a bill that will take millions off the healthcare rolls. This is another one of the sick publicity stunts Bernie has been doing, and it needs to stop.

...This type of VerySeriousPersonry is WHY the party is in a wreck.

Trump has basically given the head of the GOP on a platter multiple times to the Democrats and what do the centrist Dems do? They reject it to court non-existent moderate republicans. Newsflash, most 'moderate' republicans watch Fox News and most self-identified moderates voted for Trump in the primary. James Comey is a 'moderate' Kasich voter who has no qualms about what he did to the Dems in the General Election. Trump just said the other day that Australia has a better healthcare system than the US. That's an actual political opening for the Dems, not personal attacks and hysteria over Russia.

[NeverAgain]

ACA is a crappy one compared to Single Payer & is beyond repair & is going down in flames & is one of the reasons Trump got elected. Single Payer is the only solution & should be a litmus test for all blue & purple state Dems.

Very surprised that Booker may endorse this. 15$ Min Wage, Drug Bill, Climate Change bill (including Carbon tax, fracking ban etc), Booker is also heading left - Sanders' has had a gigantic effect on the direction of the party !

Stop. This will never get done in this climate (aka Republicans controlling ALL Branches of Government) and Bernie trying to divide Democrats instead of uniting against a bill that will take millions off the healthcare rolls. This is another one of the sick publicity stunts Bernie has been doing, and it needs to stop.

What's wrong with a goal? Republicans have tons of harebrained campaign promises (flat tax! EPA abolished!) that don't harm them, what's wrong with a little aim to fire up the base?

I think you're right in the sense of having a goal, but the introduction of a bill is a different issue. And I entirely think that showing that there needs to be a different narrative to knocking millions off of their health insurance. I would prefer to not, though, just spew out bills for the sake of "rallying the base", when they have 0.0% chance of doing anything but just sit there and die. We need to get a new narrative out there (which millions of people have been showing is in their hearts also), but I just don't think that narrative is done through likening ourselves to those folks, and proposing bills just for the sake of it.

Let's take this step by step.

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What? This doesn't compute to me. If you are saying that by not proposing Single Payer, it could be likened to not proposing Civil Rights (Gay Rights is an entirely different issue, and many advances have come from the Judicial Branch, not the Legislative). First off, the Civil Rights Act (followed by the Voting Rights Act), were hard fights, and done by a hard dealmaker, LBJ. They wouldn't have proposed them and pushed for them, had they not had the votes. Bernie, not only doesn't have the votes for a majority, he doesn't have a majority of the party (in Congress) with him. If you are saying something else, you'll have to enlighten me because you've lost me quite a bit.

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I am all for the fight for Universal Healthcare, but I think the idea that a mixed system is a inherently bad thing, or is evil, is entirely flawed. We, of course, need to fix many of the systemic issues with premiums (specifically the marketplaces), and the best ways to do that would be through making it similar to the Medicare Advantage Program (risk corridor program, enrollment insurance, among other things which were parts of ACA, before they expired) to help attract Insurers back into the marketplace, which has been shown to decrease premiums drastically.

But on the issue of premiums, the recent "premium increase" was due to an evening out of the marketplace, many states had unreasonably low premiums (Arizona, the major one), while some states like Indiana and Massachusetts saw a decrease in premium cost. So, I entirely agree, we need to lower and manage premiums better, but I do disagree that a single payer system would be the sole way to do it (but we can get to that later).

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Well, it was first proposed by TR in 1912, as part of the Progressive Party Platform, so it has been a dream for some for many decades, yes, not for the Democrats. The Dream of Universal Healthcare, has been really a dream for quite some time. But I wouldn't call the ideals of Universal Healthcare that were proposed in the New Deal era solely A Single Payer, as we know of today. As their (FDR's and Truman's proposals differed quite a bit from the decade or so between their proposals). Anyways, it has been a fighting call for many, and that call has helped us pass so many advancements in healthcare, Medicare/aid, (S)CHIP, and now most recently, the ACA.

 The ideal of expansion of healthcare has always been a dream, and we should attempt to make universal healthcare a reality, but excluding people for their beliefs on how we achieve universal healthcare is not the way Democrats, or any organization, should attempt to straddle this very critical issue.

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I am very glad Bernie has opposed AHCA, I would be quite shocked if he didn't (or any sane person really...). I do understand he opposes it, but trying to be an demagogue, and the sole arbiter on if and who are truly Democrats/Progressives, based on this issue is very silly and dangerous. This is really just a publicity stunt for Bernie, and will accomplish nothing. I am glad Bernie is on the better side of this issue, but just being on the right side, doesn't mean you're always right. And Bernie's exclusionary tactics and certainly making clear he is not in the right here.

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... And where would the money have gone otherwise? To buy another land deal for his wife (joke)? I think him doing the normal thing and fighting against this bill is great. But I don't think giving Bernie a gold star for doing the correct thing is really going to help the issue here.

...This type of VerySeriousPersonry is WHY the party is in a wreck.

Huh. Not familiar with what y'mean mate. But on that issue, I don't think we can attribute the party's losses to just one factor, and I think it is dangerous to do so. Anyways, I'd love to know what you mean.

Very interesting stuff.