World Cooling - But Scientists Insist that Warming is Real

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LOL @ the Global Fiction folks.

And I am guessing you have evidence to back up your claim??

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Global warming pisses me off but global cooling would be sweet. I prefer the cold.

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Global warming pisses me off but global cooling would be sweet. I prefer the cold.

Be careful what you wish for.

A colder world would be much more inhospitable than a warmer one.  In a colder world, the rainforests would shrink and turn into grasslands and the deserts would expand towards the equator.  Rainfall would decrease and today's forests would become grasslands as glaciers expanded and arable land decreased...

Global warming will be a giant pain in the ass, but what the scientists fail to mention is that it's still better than being 1*F colder than we were 100 years ago.

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Global warming isn't monotonic from year to year. 2005 and then 1998 are the two warmest years on record, not 2007 and then 2006. However, all of the last 14 years are one of the warmest 20 on record, and the 8 warmest years on record are all from the last decade, so there's obviously a very significant long term trend.


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Global warming pisses me off but global cooling would be sweet. I prefer the cold.

Be careful what you wish for.

A colder world would be much more inhospitable than a warmer one.  In a colder world, the rainforests would shrink and turn into grasslands and the deserts would expand towards the equator.  Rainfall would decrease and today's forests would become grasslands as glaciers expanded and arable land decreased...

Global warming will be a giant pain in the ass, but what the scientists fail to mention is that it's still better than being 1*F colder than we were 100 years ago.

There would different pros and cons, but generally, rapid climate change is bad no matter which direction it is.

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remember that global warming is a very gradual thing. You have to look at it from a distance and thus year to year comparisons are worthless, as for the most part are comparisons of specific locations. Look at warming on the scale of decades, centuries or even millenia and think about the whole world not just say, France or something.

Even though when that actually happens, it shows that the Earth has been much warmer in previous millenia than it is now?

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I think we can now conclude that SPC is a joke poster trying to have some fun.

Glad to see your respect for the scientific method.

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This whole thread is 'LOL.'

Yes, it is.

It basically comes to this:

Conservative:  "I know I'm closing my eyes and covering my ears and yelling 'there's no such thing as global warming', but there is no such thing as global warming!!!"

Liberal:  "You're stupid.  Look at what the scientists say."

Libertarian:  "Liberals can be wrong, too!"

Conservative:  "This just proves that reality has a known liberal bias."

Liberal:  "You're stupid.  Ha ha, and a joke poster.  I'm a liberal, I know WAY more than you about global warming because the scientists are on my side!! LOLZ!!3"

(interjected attempt to make the thread someone educational and intellectual)

Conservative:  (quoting previous 'you're stupid quote')  Nu uh!!!!  Your Stupid!

I digress.

No.

The libertarian arguement is: "Global Warming means that the market has failed and that government is needed. Since I am against both ideas, I am going to pretend neither exist and then when I can no longer do that, blame it on liberals."

1. Even if global warming were real, the main suspect would hve to be the #1 polluter in the United States: the federal government. If global warming were a serious problem, market forces would adapt their ways to attract more customers.
2. Global warming is far from confirmed fact. Don't forget that a mere 30 years ago, global cooling was a threat.

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1. Even if global warming were real, the main suspect would have to be the #1 polluter in the United States: the federal government. If global warming were a serious problem, market forces would adapt their ways to attract more customers.
2. Global warming is far from confirmed fact. Don't forget that a mere 30 years ago, global cooling was a threat.
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After that little global cooling phase the scientists went through( which was only talked about for a few years and never widely accepted), scientists almost immediately started talking about global warming. Nobody took them seriously and it makes sense since the same ppl were raising alarms about global cooling a few years ago. But the scientific consensus from the mid 90's to this day has been that global warming is real and the numbers itself have backed them up.

remember that global warming is a very gradual thing. You have to look at it from a distance and thus year to year comparisons are worthless, as for the most part are comparisons of specific locations. Look at warming on the scale of decades, centuries or even millenia and think about the whole world not just say, France or something.

Even though when that actually happens, it shows that the Earth has been much warmer in previous millenia than it is now?

Yes and the whole central valley of california as well as the whole of florida was under water. In addition these changes took millenia to happen, we are causing this change to occur in mere decades. This means that weather patterns around the globe will go haywire and some very unexpected changes could occur.

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1. Even if global warming were real, the main suspect would hve to be the #1 polluter in the United States: the federal government. If global warming were a serious problem, market forces would adapt their ways to attract more customers.

Yes, the free market can solve any problem: global warming, health care, and so on BY ITSELF.

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This graph is fake.

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LOL @ the Global Fiction folks.

And I am guessing you have evidence to back up your claim??

Yes, millions of years of variations in the climate. Also, I'd like you to prove that things are not changing due to a near pole shift that occurs every few thousand years.

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LOL @ the Global Fiction folks.

And I am guessing you have evidence to back up your claim??

Yes, millions of years of variations in the climate. Also, I'd like you to prove that things are not changing due to a near pole shift that occurs every few thousand years.

Look at the rate of increase in the earth's temperature over the last 20 years ago. I understand there are many different reasons for change in climate but nothing can cause temperatures to go up this far. Changes happen over thousands of years and that is totally normal. Temperatures going up almost 2 fahrenheit in the last 30 years or so is not a normal rate of increase.

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1. Even if global warming were real, the main suspect would hve to be the #1 polluter in the United States: the federal government. If global warming were a serious problem, market forces would adapt their ways to attract more customers.

Yes, the free market can solve any problem: global warming, health care, and so on BY ITSELF.

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This graph is fake.

You can't look at these things on a mere 150 year period. You would need to have a chart of around 100,000 years of global temperature estimates to be credible.

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30 years ago, global cooling was a threat, because the planet had cooled a tiny bit over the previous 30 years.

We are entering the end of our present warm interglacial period, and no amount of manmade climate change is going to stop that.  It is all just a matter of how far and how hard we fall when the time comes.

The Greenhouse theory has been around for about 100 years now and it gained quite a bit of a following during the early 20th century.. but things like 2 world wars, economic development, and a seemingly neutral climate during the mid-century kept talk of that at bay.

Then, just as people were starting to notice the slight cooling of the planet, the Arctic was going through an amazing period of warming, warming several degrees in just one decade.  By 1981 the globe hit a record high temperature and another record was hit again in 1982... the greenhouse theory became the favorite to explain this, as everything else we knew should have meant a steady or even cooling climate.

But I'm not an Al Gore fanatic.  I think the sun has more to do with it than we think and that co2 contributes a much smaller, though notable, part to global warming.

The sun has been more active in the past 70 years than at any time in the past 8000 years... of course the planet is running a fever.  The ice caps on Mars are melting too....

But earth is warming faster.  Solar activity has not increased in the past 30 years when temperatures have spiked upward by about a half degree... this is likely almost completely due to increases in Greenhouse gases.

At the same time, the indication is there that the sun is entering a quiet period as the conveyer belts of plasma that predict sunspot activity about 22 years in advance have slowed to a crawl... not ever recorded before.  Solar scientists predict the next solar cycle, which just began, will be about as strong as the last one, which was weaker than the one before it, but that solar cycle 25, which will peak in 2022, will be the weakest in a few hundred years, when the sun was the weakest it has been in the past 8000 years.

Also, the shape of our orbit, the way our planet orbits the sun, and the relatively low salinity of our northern oceans all point to a possible rapid cooling of the planet despite very high co2 levels.  This has happened in the past.

The theory that our contribution to global warming will stave off the coming ice age for tens of thousands of years is absurd, at best.  These theories were tested using algorithms that do not take into account the salinity of the oceans, the ocean currents that distribute energy, or how the atmosphere distributes energy, or even changes in the intensity of the sun.  It just took into account changes in orbit and higher concentrations of greenhouse gases.

If the planet cools, it will set off a snowball effect of negative feedback loops which could flip us into an ice age in a matter of years.

And that, my friend, would most certainly be 1000 times worse for human civilization than the gloom-and-doom global warming crowd will have you believe.

To add:

Ice ages are mainly caused by the planet becoming more spherical than elliptical.  There is also a slight decline in the degree of our tilt.

Ice ages are not wrought by colder winters, but by colder summers.  In fact, winter temperatures remain about the same for much of the world during ice ages, but spring comes much later, fall comes earlier, and summers are much shorter, and cooler.

The scary part about this, as a personal observation, is that while our winters in Minnesota have been noticeably warmer in the past 20 years, summer and fall have actually cooled a bit and spring has remained about the same.

The same things are being noticed in Alaska.  Spring is coming earlier, but lasting much longer.  Animals are waking up in the spring to find a foot of snow still covering the tundra and summer frosts and snows are making it harder for them to hunt, forage, and reproduce.

Look at the big picture.  Things aren't as they seem.  Hell, it's April 28th and we've still got 8" of snow on the ground.