Obama/Richardson vs. McCain/Romney

[GPORTER]

Clinton takes it to the convention. Looses narrowly on the first ballot after a floor fight and she concedes the race and endorses Obama. Obama accepts the nomination and he selects Bill Richardson as his running mate.

McCain wins the nomination unamiously and he selects Mitt Romney as his running mate.

Discuss with maps.

[SomeLawStudent]

Clinton takes it to the convention. Looses narrowly on the first ballot after a floor fight and she concedes the race and endorses Obama. Obama accepts the nomination and he selects Bill Richardson as his running mate.

McCain wins the nomination unamiously and he selects Mitt Romney as his running mate.

Discuss with maps.

I don't know what the map would look like exactly, but McCain wins between 35-38 states.

[Sam Spade]

Could the candidates make worse VP picks, or is that possible?

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

If it goes to the convention and the party is still bitterly divided, then it may be bad news for Obama.

McCain 348
Obama 190

[SomeLawStudent]

If it goes to the convention and the party is still bitterly divided, then it may be bad news for Obama.

McCain 348
Obama 190

This looks about right.

[Torie]

Wow, those are some maps!  They look like a 6% to 8% margin of victory. The Dems if they know what's good for them should nominate Clinton! 

[Lief 🗽]

If the nomination goes to the convention, as was presented in this scenario, then McCain wins. There's really no way around that.

Generic Obama/Richardson vs. McCain/Romney with Clinton dropping out in early June:

[Sbane]

Wow, those are some maps!  They look like a 6% to 8% margin of victory. The Dems if they know what's good for them should nominate Clinton! 

This will only happen if the party is still divided in november and if Clinton somehow magically gets the nomination, I guarantee you the party will be divided and a similar result will occur. Ohio might vote dem though LOL.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

If the nomination goes to the convention, as was presented in this scenario, then McCain wins. There's really no way around that.

Generic Obama/Richardson vs. McCain/Romney with Clinton dropping out in early June:

LOL

Of course! Virginia flipping is back!

You may be right, but I just can't see him taking Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Mexico with over 60%, crossing 60% in Massachusetts, and MI and WI with no trouble. But I am the hack and you are just a level minded, nonbias poster.

[Colin]

My current prediction is a slight McCain victory:

Obama isn't able to capture enough blue-collar support in either Ohio or Pennsylvania to win. Both are quite close though. Obama continues to do well in the Mountain West. He is also able to keep McCain under 60% everywhere in the Great Plains, save Oklahoma.

McCain: 285 EVs
Obama: 253 EVs

Oh I just completely disregarded the VPs since I think their mutual sh**ttiness cancels out any effect they might have. If these are the two VP candidates somebody from both campaigns should be shot for stupidity.

[FerrisBueller86]

Why would McCain pick Romney?  They didn't like each other.  More importantly, I can't imagine what Romney would contribute to the ticket.  Do people really want a Massachusetts flip-flopper to be just one heartbeat away from the presidency after that very party has spent the last 20 years insisting that being from Massachusetts should disqualify presidential candidates? 

Imagine a world in which Democrats have spent the last 20 years demonizing Wyoming and Democratic Gov. David Freudenthal decided not to run for re-election in 2006 (because his approval rating was 30% instead of 70%) so he could run for president.  Everyone would be talking about how the party that demonized Wyoming and insisted that nobody from the state could be president now has somebody from Wyoming on the ticket.

McCain is trying to mend fences with the extreme right wing, but picking Romney would throw those efforts away.  Then there's also the fact that a key part of the Republican base hates Mormons.  (I still can't believe that.  You'd think there would be a sense of solidarity.)  Surely, there are plenty of Republicans with better conservative credentials than Romney.  Putting Romney on the ticket would mean that only Utah and Idaho would be safe McCain states.

[The Mikado]

My current prediction is a slight McCain victory:

Obama isn't able to capture enough blue-collar support in either Ohio or Pennsylvania to win. Both are quite close though. Obama continues to do well in the Mountain West. He is also able to keep McCain under 60% everywhere in the Great Plains, save Oklahoma.

McCain: 285 EVs
Obama: 253 EVs

Oh I just completely disregarded the VPs since I think their mutual sh**ttiness cancels out any effect they might have. If these are the two VP candidates somebody from both campaigns should be shot for stupidity.

My map's almost the same as yours, but I do give NH (which isn't going GOP, even for John McCain, this year), and...barely...PA to Obama, for a tiny Obama win.  I'm somewhat tempted to give CO back to McCain and get the 269-269.

[Person Man]

I think  Obama should start ignoring Hillary. This is really Hillary's 2012 race at this point.