Nunn/Dean vs. McCain/Allen(2000)
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« on: April 24, 2009, 04:10:33 PM »

Ok...Let's say the POD is that Clinton picks Georgia Senator and Chairman of the Armed Services Commitee Sam Nunn as his Vice Presidential Runningmate in 92 for the Southern Lock. Nunn begrudingly accepts, and OTL's events stay pretty much the same as OTL. Vice President Nunn clinches the nomination pretty easily and selects liberal Vermont Governor Howard Dean as his running mate.

Butterflies, allow for McCain to clinch the nomination against Bush, and selects Virgina Governor George Allen as his running mate to please the base. So how would this battle between two Silent Generation, Foreign Policy focuesd, moderate Senators do in this alternate 2000 election?
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« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2009, 05:44:01 PM »

I normally wait for others to post their thoughts, since I'm not good at thinking on my own, and when I do, I'm normally off.
Both would have high approval ratings. In the end, it would come down to the better of 2 good's. In real life, Al Gore was a horrible campaigner, and Nunn isn't like that. In 2000, it would have taken a pretty weak Democrat for Republicans to win. Republicans lucked out.
Nunn defeats McCain is a respectable fashion. I don't see this as being a "bloody battle".

Popular Vote:
McCain/Allen: 47.76%
Nunn/Dean:   50.29%

Electoral Vote:
McCain/Allen:213
Nunn/Dean:  325

Tossup States: West Virginia, Ohio, Florida, Missouri, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota

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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2009, 09:37:30 PM »

2000 would have been McCain's year. 

After 8 years of Democratic rule, after the Clinton scandals, I see no reason for McCain to lose against a competent yet underwhelming Vice President Nunn.

In 2000, McCain would have a broader appeal than Nunn to independents.

Allen would have been a more appealing Vice Presidential nominee than Dean.

McCain/Allen                           288
Nunn/Dean                             250

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« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2009, 08:57:02 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2009, 10:10:01 AM »

I think either way it goes, we would still have a very close election...I think Nader might actually run alot better in this scenario still traditionally liberal democratic votes in the Midwest giving those states to McCain. However, Nunn is able to position himself as a Southern Conservate and do alot better in the region than OTL Gore did. I still think Nunn could pull it off though.



Sam Nunn/Howard Dean: 277 Electoral Votes
John McCain/George Allen: 261 Electoral Votes
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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2009, 11:11:16 AM »




Nunn wins by a 303-235 margin.
With a nation in peace and prosperity and McCain running a far less disciplined campaign than W. (just look what happened last year), Nunn is elected relatively comfortably on a platform of continuing Clinton's policies.
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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2009, 12:22:45 PM »

I think either way it goes, we would still have a very close election...I think Nader might actually run alot better in this scenario still traditionally liberal democratic votes in the Midwest giving those states to McCain. However, Nunn is able to position himself as a Southern Conservate and do alot better in the region than OTL Gore did. I still think Nunn could pull it off though.



Sam Nunn/Howard Dean: 277 Electoral Votes
John McCain/George Allen: 261 Electoral Votes

How well would Nader do in your scenario? Would he like double the % he got (which would be over the 5% mark)?
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« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2009, 08:50:12 PM »



Nunn: 48.4% PV; 312 EV
McCain: 44.6% PV; 226 EV
Nader: 5.7% PV
Other: 1.3% PV
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« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2009, 03:03:08 PM »

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