The new Democratic Majority

[DemocratsVictory2008]

This is a logical map in 5-10 that accounts for demographic changes

This one is a possible map in a close election where a Dem wins

[tmthforu94]

Democrats have maxed out in most states in the "Blue Firewall". Republicans will start to make inroads in the Blue Firewall, while Democrats will begin making inroads in the "Red Firewall".
If the election was a toss-up in 2012, given trends and such...

Democratic Edge:

Republican Edge:

[Vepres]

I think Republicans wills start to make huge inroads with Latinos. I have heard many top Republicans endorsing a guest worker program, and they aren't sounding like racists anymore.

[Dan the Roman]

I think Republicans wills start to make huge inroads with Latinos. I have heard many top Republicans endorsing a guest worker program, and they aren't sounding like racists anymore.

I don't think the Sotomeyer stuff has helped much. One step forward, two steps backward.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I think Republicans wills start to make huge inroads with Latinos. I have heard many top Republicans endorsing a guest worker program, and they aren't sounding like racists anymore.

Which Republicans? Also a Guest worker program is not in the interest of working class people including Hispanics, Blacks, and Whites. We could make gains among all three by opposing a Guest Worker program. A path to legalization with a weak touchback requirement(No citizenship unless they return home for a few years or something along those lines, legalization however could be achieved without that, the fines have to be bigger, but they have to be held accountable for any ID theft committed), combined with "Real" enforcement(The Save Act) is really the best approach we could take.

[DemocratsVictory2008]

yeah...the immigration thing has really helped the GOP lol, all it has done is give them bigger margins in places like Arkansas while scaring off Latino voters in droves through the west and Florida

[Marokai Backbeat]

Democrats have maxed out in most states in the "Blue Firewall". Republicans will start to make inroads in the Blue Firewall, while Democrats will begin making inroads in the "Red Firewall".

You never cease to amaze and astound me with your stupidity. Where do I even begin with this post?

[Vepres]

yeah...the immigration thing has really helped the GOP lol, all it has done is give them bigger margins in places like Arkansas while scaring off Latino voters in droves through the west and Florida

I didn't say immigration didn't hurt them in the past. I think for the most part, Republicans have realized their mistakes with minorities, save a few radicals (but every party has radicals of one kind or another). For example, in my home state of Colorado, the Governor, who is generally viewed as a moderate, has lost support amongst Latinos, causing his approvals to drop under 40. If Republicans can seize this opportunity (and I think they have a good chance of doing so), then they will dominate the state again.

I think Republicans wills start to make huge inroads with Latinos. I have heard many top Republicans endorsing a guest worker program, and they aren't sounding like racists anymore.

I don't think the Sotomeyer stuff has helped much. One step forward, two steps backward.

Notice that most in the party had a much better response to her than Gingrich or Limbaugh, and that they obviously worked behind the scenes to shut people like them up.

I think Republicans wills start to make huge inroads with Latinos. I have heard many top Republicans endorsing a guest worker program, and they aren't sounding like racists anymore.

Which Republicans? Also a Guest worker program is not in the interest of working class people including Hispanics, Blacks, and Whites. We could make gains among all three by opposing a Guest Worker program. A path to legalization with a weak touchback requirement(No citizenship unless they return home for a few years or something along those lines, legalization however could be achieved without that, the fines have to be bigger, but they have to be held accountable for any ID theft committed), combined with "Real" enforcement(The Save Act) is really the best approach we could take.

The senate minority leader for one. Why would a guest worker program not be in the interests of the working class? Instead of illegals taking the jobs for an extremely low wage, they are here legally, and they will paid a similar amount to Americans. Working class wages will not be driven down with a guest worker program (or at least not nearly as much).

Democrats have maxed out in most states in the "Blue Firewall". Republicans will start to make inroads in the Blue Firewall, while Democrats will begin making inroads in the "Red Firewall".

You never cease to amaze and astound me with your stupidity. Where do I even begin with this post?

Actually, I found his maps to be pretty reasonable. They leaned Republican a bit, but they weren't unreasonable at all. He was simply saying that Democrats have maxed out in blue firewall states, and thus can only lose support or at best hold support. That doesn't mean they won't still win them by double digit margins.

[Vepres]

DemVictory, this article sums up my arguments against your theory quite nicely.

[DemocratsVictory2008]

When I meant majority, I meant generational. Of course nothings permanent or even meant to last more than lets say...40 years max

[Vepres]

When I meant majority, I meant generational. Of course nothings permanent or even meant to last more than lets say...40 years max

Ah, a majority among the older half of Generation Y.

[Alexander Hamilton]

DemVictory, this article sums up my arguments against your theory quite nicely.

Nice read.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

yeah...the immigration thing has really helped the GOP lol, all it has done is give them bigger margins in places like Arkansas while scaring off Latino voters in droves through the west and Florida

I didn't say immigration didn't hurt them in the past. I think for the most part, Republicans have realized their mistakes with minorities, save a few radicals (but every party has radicals of one kind or another). For example, in my home state of Colorado, the Governor, who is generally viewed as a moderate, has lost support amongst Latinos, causing his approvals to drop under 40. If Republicans can seize this opportunity (and I think they have a good chance of doing so), then they will dominate the state again.

I think Republicans wills start to make huge inroads with Latinos. I have heard many top Republicans endorsing a guest worker program, and they aren't sounding like racists anymore.

I don't think the Sotomeyer stuff has helped much. One step forward, two steps backward.

Notice that most in the party had a much better response to her than Gingrich or Limbaugh, and that they obviously worked behind the scenes to shut people like them up.

I think Republicans wills start to make huge inroads with Latinos. I have heard many top Republicans endorsing a guest worker program, and they aren't sounding like racists anymore.

Which Republicans? Also a Guest worker program is not in the interest of working class people including Hispanics, Blacks, and Whites. We could make gains among all three by opposing a Guest Worker program. A path to legalization with a weak touchback requirement(No citizenship unless they return home for a few years or something along those lines, legalization however could be achieved without that, the fines have to be bigger, but they have to be held accountable for any ID theft committed), combined with "Real" enforcement(The Save Act) is really the best approach we could take.

The senate minority leader for one. Why would a guest worker program not be in the interests of the working class? Instead of illegals taking the jobs for an extremely low wage, they are here legally, and they will paid a similar amount to Americans. Working class wages will not be driven down with a guest worker program (or at least not nearly as much).

Democrats have maxed out in most states in the "Blue Firewall". Republicans will start to make inroads in the Blue Firewall, while Democrats will begin making inroads in the "Red Firewall".

You never cease to amaze and astound me with your stupidity. Where do I even begin with this post?

Actually, I found his maps to be pretty reasonable. They leaned Republican a bit, but they weren't unreasonable at all. He was simply saying that Democrats have maxed out in blue firewall states, and thus can only lose support or at best hold support. That doesn't mean they won't still win them by double digit margins.

I was merely pointing out statistical facts proved by Barbara Jordan(Late Congresswoman, highly Liberal) commisiion, commisions established by Truman, JFk/LBJ, Carter, and surprisingly under Clinton who was pushing a Guest Worker program but switch course once the report from the commision was released. A path to legalization is much better then a Guest worker program. There are slight differences but those differences have a huge impact.