Change of Allegiance

[Michael Z]

I would like to announce that I have switched allegiance to the Republican Party. I've also changed my avatar to Wyoming because it's always been my favourite state.

[Gustaf]

WHAT?

Explanation please?

[Michael Z]

I've decided that Bush is the right man for the Presidency. John Kerry is just a bleeding-heart liberal who hates America and supports terrorists.

[Gustaf]

OK...so I'm guessing that this is some sort of joke then...

[ShapeShifter]

wrong thread.... and who cares ....

[Michael Z]

Yep. April fool!

[Gustaf]

Yep. April fool!

I am SO DUM.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

It's after 12 though...

[nclib]

Michael Z,

I can't believe you went back to the Democratic Party. How can you support a party that supports equal rights, civil liberties, pacifism, concern for poor, humane treatment for criminals, and environmental protection?

**Late edit: April Fool's Joke

[zachman]

I've seen your sarcasm twice now, nccon. Are you a republican, a democrat, and independent, or just playing April Fools jokes.

[YRABNNRM]

I've seen your sarcasm twice now, nccon. Are you a republican, a democrat, and independent, or just playing April Fools jokes.

Its nclib, check the profile.

[M]

He does identify the dems as the party of pacifism, the cause of the second world war and holocaust, however. aSo he must have some conservative leanings.

[zachman]

He does identify the dems as the party of pacifism, the cause of the second world war and holocaust, however. aSo he must have some conservative leanings.

And the Republicans weren't at some fault for WWII? Harding steered away from the League of Nation, and he and his successors ignored the failingTreaty of Versailles.

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

Sean Hannity pulled a similar stunt today

[angus]

Why not add to the perceived arrogance of Americans?  Go ahead.  Don't you realize that neither Democrats nor Republicans had anything to do with starting WWII.  The pacific theater began about a year before Roosevelt was even elected for his first term, and the European theater began more than two years before our country got involved.  Sometimes it is said North Americans have a shallow view, or an inaccurate view of world history.  Most of the time, the posters on this forum show contradictory evidence.  Unfortunately, often enough, sometimes the posts herein support that conclusion.  Please, give your collective ethnocentries a little rest.

[nclib]

I've seen your sarcasm twice now, nccon. Are you a republican, a democrat, and independent, or just playing April Fools jokes.

I am nclib, and yes, both posts were April Fool's jokes. Of course, in real life I am a liberal Democrat.

I hope neither post was offensive to anyone.

BTW, did Dave Leip delete the other thread (in the 2004 election) ?

[nclib]

Sean Hannity pulled a similar stunt today

So, he pretended to be a liberal?

[Gustaf]

Why not add to the perceived arrogance of Americans?  Go ahead.  Don't you realize that neither Democrats nor Republicans had anything to do with starting WWII.  The pacific theater began about a year before Roosevelt was even elected for his first term, and the European theater began more than two years before our country got involved.  Sometimes it is said North Americans have a shallow view, or an inaccurate view of world history.  Most of the time, the posters on this forum show contradictory evidence.  Unfortunately, often enough, sometimes the posts herein support that conclusion.  Please, give your collective ethnocentries a little rest.

I suppose that you're refering to the Japanse-Chinese war?

It depends on how counter-factual one wants to be...the Versailles Treaty with its harshness towards Germany obviously is part of the reason, and the WWI entente, in particular France, is to blame for this. One can also blame the Western Democracies for not standing up to Hitler...that would be the US a little more perhaps, considering your isolationist polciies. Then there is of course the German people and especially the NSDAP who has some smaller part of the blame as well...

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

Yeah - for like two hours.  I was getting calls from friends who were freaking out over it!  He had a lot of people going... but I looked at the calendar before getting too concerned.

Sean Hannity pulled a similar stunt today

So, he pretended to be a liberal?

[angus]

Why not add to the perceived arrogance of Americans?  Go ahead.  Don't you realize that neither Democrats nor Republicans had anything to do with starting WWII.  The pacific theater began about a year before Roosevelt was even elected for his first term, and the European theater began more than two years before our country got involved.  Sometimes it is said North Americans have a shallow view, or an inaccurate view of world history.  Most of the time, the posters on this forum show contradictory evidence.  Unfortunately, often enough, sometimes the posts herein support that conclusion.  Please, give your collective ethnocentries a little rest.

I suppose that you're refering to the Japanse-Chinese war?

It depends on how counter-factual one wants to be...the Versailles Treaty with its harshness towards Germany obviously is part of the reason, and the WWI entente, in particular France, is to blame for this. One can also blame the Western Democracies for not standing up to Hitler...that would be the US a little more perhaps, considering your isolationist polciies. Then there is of course the German people and especially the NSDAP who has some smaller part of the blame as well...

Yeah, in the Western theater, I think Versailles and France bear that responsibility.  I think the nsdap was just a natural nationalistic response to that harshness.  And, yes, chamberlain and his friends in washington, in both parties, were hoping to avoid conflict.  Hindsight is 20/20.  Don't you agree?

[Gustaf]

Why not add to the perceived arrogance of Americans?  Go ahead.  Don't you realize that neither Democrats nor Republicans had anything to do with starting WWII.  The pacific theater began about a year before Roosevelt was even elected for his first term, and the European theater began more than two years before our country got involved.  Sometimes it is said North Americans have a shallow view, or an inaccurate view of world history.  Most of the time, the posters on this forum show contradictory evidence.  Unfortunately, often enough, sometimes the posts herein support that conclusion.  Please, give your collective ethnocentries a little rest.

I suppose that you're refering to the Japanse-Chinese war?

It depends on how counter-factual one wants to be...the Versailles Treaty with its harshness towards Germany obviously is part of the reason, and the WWI entente, in particular France, is to blame for this. One can also blame the Western Democracies for not standing up to Hitler...that would be the US a little more perhaps, considering your isolationist polciies. Then there is of course the German people and especially the NSDAP who has some smaller part of the blame as well...

Yeah, in the Western theater, I think Versailles and France bear that responsibility.  I think the nsdap was just a natural nationalistic response to that harshness.  And, yes, chamberlain and his friends in washington, in both parties, were hoping to avoid conflict.  Hindsight is 20/20.  Don't you agree?

On hindsight? Yes, of course, but that doesn't change the harsh fact that Chamberlain was wrong and Churchill was right. Now, let's not get started on Halifax...

[JohnFKennedy]

I missed the chance for April Fools, me and my friends were hanging out and by the time we realised it was 1st of April it was about 6pm

[Gustaf]

I missed the chance for April Fools, me and my friends were hanging out and by the time we realised it was 1st of April it was about 6pm

HAH! Same with me though...

[angus]

I surrender.  You must know that I cannot possibly expect to escape any denigration of Churchill unscathed by either the American right or the European right.  Not sure I want to anyway, as the negative campaign against him in 1945 attaching him to Germans (recall the old movietone reels with the stressed pronunciation of Friedrich von Hayak run by his opponents on the Left), made me feel sorry for the man.  Like the way I felt sorry for Clarence Thomas about 15 years ago.  I still abhore negative campaigns.

A history buff like you might enjoy a perusal of the original Halifax/Roosevelt documents in some moment of spare time:
http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/ww2.htm

[Gustaf]

I surrender.  You must know that I cannot possibly expect to escape any denigration of Churchill unscathed by either the American right or the European right.  Not sure I want to anyway, as the negative campaign against him in 1945 attaching him to Germans (recall the old movietone reels with the stressed pronunciation of Friedrich von Hayak run by his opponents on the Left), made me feel sorry for the man.  Like the way I felt sorry for Clarence Thomas about 15 years ago.  I still abhore negative campaigns.

A history buff like you might enjoy a perusal of the original Halifax/Roosevelt documents in some moment of spare time:
http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/ww2.htm

I accept your surrender.