Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
July 23, 2014, 09:09:33 pm
HomePredMockPollEVCalcAFEWIKIHelpLogin Register
News: Atlas Hardware Upgrade complete October 13, 2013.

+  Atlas Forum
|-+  General Politics
| |-+  International General Discussion (Moderators: Peter, afleitch)
| | |-+  Libyan WMD disarmament effects
« previous next »
Pages: [1] Print
Author Topic: Libyan WMD disarmament effects  (Read 5912 times)
M
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 2496


View Profile
« on: December 20, 2003, 02:08:33 pm »
Ignore

I've seen it mentioned on my Iran thread, but I think it is a potentially big enough event to deserve it's own post. For a good in depth analysis, see http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=749 .

The Libyans have cut support for terrorists since '86, and now they have given up their WMD and long range missiles, w/o the US firing a shot. This will be viewed by many as proof that Bush's Iraq war has had a classic domino effect. However, others will show it as an easy  triumph of diplomacy, as opposed to the bloody triumph of war,soft power over hard power. My own views are similar to the former- Gadhafi saw Saddam taken out of a spider hole and doesn't want the same to happen to him.

Incidentally, Momar was squealed on the N/ Koreans, who were providing him aid. He was also much closer to a nuke then was generally thought.

So, how do you think this will effect politics at home? Will it be largely ignored? Will it hurt Dean? I assume Bush will make a big deal out of it in his SOTUA next month.

As a side note, will Doc Brown still be able to get those vital shipments of plutionium? He needs to recharge the DeLorean and get it to H.G.Wells, who is still pursuing Jack the Ripper through '70s Frisco.
Logged

Recently moved to Jackson, Mississippi.
DarthKosh
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 902


View Profile
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2003, 02:18:53 pm »
Ignore

He didn't want to end up in a hole like Saddam.
Logged
Harry
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 18705
United States


View Profile
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2003, 02:21:54 pm »
Ignore

hopefully this and the capture of saddam will lead a sensible democrat like wesley clark who has a chance of beating bush into the nomination.
it may be wishful thinking, but anything to get dean out is good
Logged
DarthKosh
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 902


View Profile
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2003, 02:23:20 pm »
Ignore

hopefully this and the capture of saddam will lead a sensible democrat like wesley clark who has a chance of beating bush into the nomination.
it may be wishful thinking, but anything to get dean out is good

Insane left will never let anyone that even seems centrist to win the nom.
Logged
M
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 2496


View Profile
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2003, 02:24:01 pm »
Ignore

That is a distinct possibility. But a lot of things have to go wrong for Dean and right for say, Clark or Lieberman. Even now, Dean's lead is commanding.
Logged

Recently moved to Jackson, Mississippi.
Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.
jmfcst
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 18306
United States


View Profile
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2003, 02:25:40 pm »
Ignore

Harry,

I doubt there is anything to derail Dean from the nomination.  Also, Clark is sounding just like Dean and the public is unaware that he was fired from his Army post.
Logged

Do not fight with one another over my banning.  I've enjoyed the time I have spent with all of you, but the time really has come for me to leave.  It is what I want.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9Y_GLT4_9I

I looked over Jordan, and what did I see?
Coming for to carry me home,
A band of angels coming after me,
Coming for to carry me home.

Swing low, sweet chariot,
Coming for to carry me home.
DarthKosh
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 902


View Profile
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2003, 02:27:29 pm »
Ignore

Harry,

I doubt there is anything to derail Dean from the nomination.  Also, Clark is sounding just like Dean and the public is unaware that he was fired from his Army post.

Plus Clark looks lost and doesn't want to be there.
Logged
CHRISTOPHER MICHAE
Guest
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2003, 03:14:08 pm »

Harry,

I doubt there is anything to derail Dean from the nomination.  Also, Clark is sounding just like Dean and the public is unaware that he was fired from his Army post.
He was fired? For what? Do you mean from his position as NATO Supreme Commander? I didn't know that, you'd think our politicians would be honest about their blunders!


HAHAHOHOHOHOHO!
Logged
Mr. Fresh
faulfrisch
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 1518
United States
Political Matrix
E: -0.45, S: 2.17

View Profile
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2003, 03:15:35 pm »
Ignore

Harry,

I doubt there is anything to derail Dean from the nomination.  Also, Clark is sounding just like Dean and the public is unaware that he was fired from his Army post.
He was fired? For what? Do you mean from his position as NATO Supreme Commander? I didn't know that, you'd think our politicians would be honest about their blunders!


HAHAHOHOHOHOHO!

lol, a Democrat relishing in another Democrat's misfortune?
Logged
DarthKosh
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 902


View Profile
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2003, 03:15:38 pm »
Ignore

Harry,

I doubt there is anything to derail Dean from the nomination.  Also, Clark is sounding just like Dean and the public is unaware that he was fired from his Army post.
He was fired? For what? Do you mean from his position as NATO Supreme Commander? I didn't know that, you'd think our politicians would be honest about their blunders!


HAHAHOHOHOHOHO!

He didn't listen to Clinton and he had him removed.
Logged
CHRISTOPHER MICHAE
Guest
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2003, 03:23:13 pm »

hopefully this and the capture of saddam will lead a sensible democrat like wesley clark who has a chance of beating bush into the nomination.
it may be wishful thinking, but anything to get dean out is good
AMEN, BROTHER, AMEN.
Logged
CHRISTOPHER MICHAE
Guest
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2003, 03:26:47 pm »

Harry,

I doubt there is anything to derail Dean from the nomination.  Also, Clark is sounding just like Dean and the public is unaware that he was fired from his Army post.
He was fired? For what? Do you mean from his position as NATO Supreme Commander? I didn't know that, you'd think our politicians would be honest about their blunders!


HAHAHOHOHOHOHO!

He didn't listen to Clinton and he had him removed.
I didn't know that, about Clark. But, how is it that Clinton could remove him? It's all of NATO isn't it that has to make those decisions collectively, or are we just the free world's bully?
Logged
Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.
jmfcst
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 18306
United States


View Profile
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2003, 03:47:03 pm »
Ignore

Chris Michael,

Clinton didn't fire Clark.  Rather Clark was asked to retire early (instead of outright being fired) by Colen (Sec of Defense).  

As a part of the NATO force, Clark is FIRST and FOREMOST an American soldier....the US doesn't give up sovereignty over firing of its soldiers just because we enter into treaties.
Logged

Do not fight with one another over my banning.  I've enjoyed the time I have spent with all of you, but the time really has come for me to leave.  It is what I want.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9Y_GLT4_9I

I looked over Jordan, and what did I see?
Coming for to carry me home,
A band of angels coming after me,
Coming for to carry me home.

Swing low, sweet chariot,
Coming for to carry me home.
jravnsbo
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 1898


View Profile
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2003, 09:20:38 pm »
Ignore

retire early or be fired, those are your choices Mr Clark


no big difference
Logged

Currently in Iraq, risking my butt to protect yours!

Republicans think every day is July 4, Democarts think every day is April 15
President Reagan

Well I can hear you and soon the whole world will hear all of us. President George Bush
jravnsbo
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 1898


View Profile
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2004, 10:36:57 am »
Ignore

Libya Ratifies Nuclear Test Ban Treaty

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=5&u=/ap/20040114/ap_on_re_af/libya_nuclear
Logged

Currently in Iraq, risking my butt to protect yours!

Republicans think every day is July 4, Democarts think every day is April 15
President Reagan

Well I can hear you and soon the whole world will hear all of us. President George Bush
Clay
GWBFan
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3617


Political Matrix
E: 1.03, S: -6.61

P P P

View Profile
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2004, 10:55:06 am »
Ignore

Don't forget that little bit about Clark coming within an inch of starting World War III.

After thinking all this over, I think having Clark get the nomination wouldn't really be any different than Dean getting the nomination.  Both can't win - not with the crap they have going against them.

Clark's past, his flip flops on every issue, his former support of Nixon and Reagan and GWB will hurt him in the general election - enough so that Bush will win, probably by a decent enough margin.  Clark isn't a centrist at all - he used to be, but not now that he's running for president.  Check out his stance on abortion - he says he wants to keep abortion legal until the DAY OF birth.  How crazy is that?  Clinton didn't even go that far.....

If he gets the nom, it'll be very fun to see a former military general not even win the military vote - which consistantly goes Republican.  lol

Here's hoping one of these two (Dean, Clark) will get the nomination!!  Or better yet, both of them as a ticket!
Logged

Pages: [1] Print 
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Logout

Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2013, Simple Machines