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« on: September 01, 2004, 08:06:22 PM »
« edited: September 01, 2004, 08:09:06 PM by nclib »

List all options that you agree with, and indicate how you voted.

I agree with Options 1-4, but support Option 1 most strongly.
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« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2004, 08:07:23 PM »

Also agree with 1-4, Option 1 is paramount however.
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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2004, 08:10:04 PM »

I'm 100% pro-life
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« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2004, 08:13:29 PM »

100% pro-life
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« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2004, 08:18:55 PM »

The best that would describe my view is:

Pro-choice, the government has no business regulating private decisions

But I also support repealing Roe vs. Wade and leaving the issue to the states.  This is simply what I would advocate were I to be in charge of a state.
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« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2004, 08:19:33 PM »
« Edited: September 01, 2004, 08:20:07 PM by John Dibble »

I lean pro-life, however the issue is a very strange one, and is by no means clear cut, regardless of what either side would have you believe, so my stance is about 30-50% pro-life.
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« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2004, 08:31:12 PM »

out of those, I'd go with Option 4
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« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2004, 08:36:45 PM »

98% Pro-Life
I even believe that in the cases of rape and incest the child should be allowed to live for the simple reason that the children should not have to pay for the crimes of their father. There is one part of abortion which I can't make up my mind on (and it accounts for the 2% that keeps my pro-lifeness from being perfect): If the mother's life is in jeopardy. In no event do I want the child to die, but I certainly don't want the mother to have to die for the child to live. Reluctantly I have decided (for the moment) that in those cases a woman may choose to have an abortion.

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« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2004, 08:36:52 PM »

I haven't made up my mind concerning the issue but I am certainly against third trimester abortions. I think abortion should be allowed in the first trimester. It's that second term that I'm a bit hazy on.
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« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2004, 08:43:16 PM »


This
is why abortions must remain legal.

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« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2004, 08:47:09 PM »

www.abortiontv.com

This is why abortions must be banned.
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« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2004, 08:48:03 PM »

I'm pro-life personally but I am in no way supporting legislation that forces my morals or ideas on others.  If you want to euthanize your disfigured baby or crack baby, it's really not my business and doesn't bother me.  

I would *ask* that a normal, functioning human be put up for adoption because a lot of people want kids that can't and I think you'd feel better not killing off your child and you may want to see them later.  But, it's up to you - it's not my child or responsibility...it is yours.
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« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2004, 08:52:10 PM »

I am anti-abortion. The only exceptions should be if the mother or child's life is in danger or if there was a chance they could develop serious medical problems.
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« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2004, 09:33:16 PM »

Pro-choice, as its none of my business - or any of yours.
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« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2004, 09:35:08 PM »

List all options that you agree with, and indicate how you voted.

I agree with Options 1-4, but support Option 1 most strongly.

NcLib, are you going to keep ignoring my posts? I've constantly asked you this question, and you have cosntantly ignored it. I will set it clear:

How can the fetus be part of the mother's body? If that's the case, the mother could have four arms, four legs, a penis and vagina, or two vagina, etc. In addition, it's impossible to have two different blood types, which happens in pregnancies.
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« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2004, 09:43:52 PM »

98% Pro-Life
I even believe that in the cases of rape and incest the child should be allowed to live for the simple reason that the children should not have to pay for the crimes of their father. There is one part of abortion which I can't make up my mind on (and it accounts for the 2% that keeps my pro-lifeness from being perfect): If the mother's life is in jeopardy. In no event do I want the child to die, but I certainly don't want the mother to have to die for the child to live. Reluctantly I have decided (for the moment) that in those cases a woman may choose to have an abortion.

That's the problem I had first too. But then I thought, what if I had a gun in my hand...and then someone put a gun to my head and told me to kill the guy standing in front of me.

That's the same case as here. I would say that in cases threatening the life of a woman, it should not be considered murder.
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« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2004, 09:49:14 PM »

Pro-choice, as its none of my business - or any of yours.

for once opebo is right on!
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« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2004, 09:49:27 PM »

I don't like abortion personally, but I wouldn't never tell a woman what to do with her body and her child.  Option 1.  
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« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2004, 09:51:25 PM »

Human life is my business.

Blindness is not an excuse when self-inflicted.
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« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2004, 09:54:18 PM »



Here's one of the kids who isn't your business.
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« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2004, 09:56:09 PM »

I support legal abortion in the first 90 days of pregnancy.  After than, no legal abortions unless the mothers' health is endangered.

The 90 day cutoff is good because it is near the time wheere the fetus rapidly starts looking (an feeling) more like a human being.
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« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2004, 10:00:17 PM »

this is a tough one....really.
I voted option 5.
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« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2004, 10:04:19 PM »
« Edited: September 01, 2004, 10:06:45 PM by Brambila »

I support legal abortion in the first 90 days of pregnancy.  After than, no legal abortions unless the mothers' health is endangered.

The 90 day cutoff is good because it is near the time wheere the fetus rapidly starts looking (an feeling) more like a human being.

God. That's pretty shallow. Because it doesn't look like a human, you can kill it? LOL. That's horrible! "I'm going to kill you because you don't look like me; pretty". The fetus ALWAYS looks like a human, because it IS a human. In that case, we can kill infants, because they don't look like archtypal adult human.
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« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2004, 10:05:01 PM »

I support legal abortion in the first 90 days of pregnancy.  After than, no legal abortions unless the mothers' health is endangered.

The 90 day cutoff is good because it is near the time wheere the fetus rapidly starts looking (an feeling) more like a human being.

God. That's pretty shallow. Because it doesn't look like a human, you can kill it? LOL. That's horrible!

You can't kill something that isn't alive
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« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2004, 10:07:33 PM »
« Edited: September 01, 2004, 10:08:34 PM by Gabu »

Well, I'm probably going to be called a horrible monster for saying the following, but here you go:

In the first three weeks or so, the heart has not even begun beating or anything, so the embryo could hardly be called alive in the sense that human beings are thought to be alive.  It's composed of living cells, but so is a tree, and no one is trying to ban cutting trees down.  The potential for life is there, but the same could be said of the other five million sperm that didn't make it into the egg and instead died.

Until the sixth week, no brain activity is detectable whatsoever, so it's also not really clear-cut as to whether the embryo is at all conscious or even living until that time.  It could be argued that it may be just as not alive as it was in the first three weeks.

To the end of and after the sixth week, when brain activity is detectable and the heart is beating, it's hard to argue that it's not a living, conscious human being, and I oppose abortion after that period except in extreme circumstances for that reason.  However, the question remains of the period before the sixth week: Does the above information dehumanize the embryo to a larger extent than it should, or do we humanize the embryo to a larger extent than we should?

Personally, I think it's a valid question.  My personal stance on it is that I oppose abortion on and after the sixth week unless the mother is at an extreme risk, but until that time, while I would try to get a pregnant woman to consider other options, I favor that woman's right to choose to have an abortion.  Abortion should be discouraged and rare, but legal.
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