what would happen if JFK is not murdered

[Bunnybrit]

JJ is right Johnson was playing to leave the ticket in 64, much to do with his perssonal hatred of Kennedy, whom he called "the boy".
With Johnson off the ticket the Dem VP nomination would have gone either to Humphrey (as it did in OTL),or Missouri Senator Stuart Symington who ran for the nomination  in 1960 and was on Kennedy`s VP short list that year and was also on Johnson`s in 1964.
I think a 1964 election in those terms would have been closer, and of course in the "Goldwater rules the world idea" by PBrunsel who knows what would have happened if tales of Kennedys private life broke out or if the fact he covered up his Addison`s illness.
I say if this didnt happen Kennedy would have won but it would have been closer but don`t forget even a 10% swing to Goldwater would not have changed much.

[Bunnybrit]

If with a 10% swing from the real election to Goldwater he would only pick up another 6 states.
1. Florida 14 elec votes
2. Idaho 4 elec votes
3. Kansas 7 elec votes
4.Nebraska 5 elec votes
5. Utah 4 elec votes
6. Virginia 12 elec votes
A total of 46 elec votes which would give 98 elec votes in  total and an extra 3 million votes.

[Michael Z]

There are three questions I'd ask about 1964:  1.  Who is the Democratic VP nominee.  2.  Who is on the GOP ticket.

1. Apparently Terry Sanford was on the top of Kennedy's list.   2. Hard to say, but Rockefeller seems the most likely. As for his running mate, your guess is as good as mine.

[J. J.]

If with a 10% swing from the real election to Goldwater he would only pick up another 6 states.
1. Florida 14 elec votes
2. Idaho 4 elec votes
3. Kansas 7 elec votes
4.Nebraska 5 elec votes
5. Utah 4 elec votes
6. Virginia 12 elec votes
A total of 46 elec votes which would give 98 elec votes in  total and an extra 3 million votes.

Without an assassination Goldwater might not have won the nomination.  If there was a candidate that would win Nixon's 1960 states and the southern states didn't go to Kennedy, 1964 is not a landslide and Kennedy's re-election is far from certain.

Without Johnson on the ticket, those southern states that Kennedy won in 1960 are lost in 1964.

[J. J.]

There are three questions I'd ask about 1964:  1.  Who is the Democratic VP nominee.  2.  Who is on the GOP ticket.

1. Apparently Terry Sanford was on the top of Kennedy's list.   2. Hard to say, but Rockefeller seems the most likely. As for his running mate, your guess is as good as mine.

That may not have been enough in the South.  Tensions, by this point, were rising.

What I'm looking at is a Republican that does as well as Nixon (who might be Rockefeller) and a segregationist candidate, either taking enough votes from Kennedy to though the South to Nixon, or get enough EV's to throw the election into the House.

I was wondering if Dirkson or Scranton (who did run) might emerge as a dark horse.

[J. J.]

I think a 1964 election in those terms would have been closer, and of course in the "Goldwater rules the world idea" by PBrunsel who knows what would have happened if tales of Kennedys private life broke out or if the fact he covered up his Addison`s illness.

One scandel that everybody is forgetting is the role the US played in overthow of South Vietnamese President Diem.  If even some of the documents had been released, it could have been exceptionally damaging.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

The US has an israel/palestine level insurgency in the south due to never getting civil rights in place.